Turn Housing Demolition on

[Eraden]

The cannibalistic behavior of some of these posters is a bit unnerving but what I really want to know is if THEY know and understand that turning demolition back on again WILL NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM. The number of houses that would be released back on to the market would be but a fart in the wind compared to the demand for houses. The ONLY way to solve the problem of there being a lack of housing, is to make more housing. A LOT more.

[Imora]

You have to be a troll to even say such garbage. As for your other post, boo hoo there is a war? Boo hoo you can't get a virtual house. Suffering from war is far worse than losing a lottery in a game.
I have fingers crossed they will implement housing for all, not that hateful people such as yourself deserve it

I'm pretty certain that not a single person affected directly by the war would give two flips over losing a house as there's more important things to worry about.

I know if I were in their situation I wouldn't be worried about it either.

I'm also pretty certain that it's NOT the reason they haven't turned it back on, because it makes 0 sense to have it turned off for all regions.

[Imora]

Devs have some compassion and don't want to kick people whilst they are down. Get over yourself and wait. You'll be fine, trust me

I have compassion too. You want to help them there's more better and important ways of doing it.

And I still don't believe that that's why it's not on.

You'll have to prove it.

They've had no problem kicking people that were down before.

[Vahlnir]

The cannibalistic behavior of some of these posters is a bit unnerving but what I really want to know is if THEY know and understand that turning demolition back on again WILL NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM. The number of houses that would be released back on to the market would be but a fart in the wind compared to the demand for houses. The ONLY way to solve the problem of there being a lack of housing, is to make more housing. A LOT more.

Sadly, you are preaching to the choir. Good luck.

[Johners]

The cannibalistic behavior of some of these posters is a bit unnerving but what I really want to know is if THEY know and understand that turning demolition back on again WILL NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM. The number of houses that would be released back on to the market would be but a fart in the wind compared to the demand for houses. The ONLY way to solve the problem of there being a lack of housing, is to make more housing. A LOT more.

I don't see how asking for the auto demolition system to be enabled is cannibalistic when that's part of the design. You can argue about changing the housing system in the future but given how far ahead Square Enix plan these systems changes, 7.0 is the earlier we'll see anything which is still 18 months away (estimate based on when EW released and the current 4 month patch cycle). Wanting the current system to be fully functional, including the mechanic to free up plots owned by inactive players, is an entirely fair request to make until a proper housing system can be implemented. I'd argue it's also fair for Square Enix to reconsider ownership of multiple houses that was grandfathered in from a previous ruleset in which that was allowed.

[Shibi]

I don't see how asking for the auto demolition system to be enabled is cannibalistic when that's part of the design.

SE don't do very much on housing very often. But when they do, they actually do seem to pay attention to housing posts on the forum.

Housing was painful, the forums suggested placard clicking, placard clicking was implimented and caused so many damaged wrists. It solved nothing.
Housing was painful, the forums suggested lottery, and the complaints about housing have easily quadrupled or more. It solves nothing.
Housing is painful, people suggest "take houses away from people" well... guess what SE will do? And it won't solve anything.

But if we stop trying to take stuff away from people, SE might see "oh shit, they don't want housing exclusive after all" and do something.

We gotta stop suggesting that SE take stuff away from people, because they will read that, they will think it's what we want, and another 3 years will pass by.

[Eraden]

I don't see how asking for the auto demolition system to be enabled is cannibalistic when that's part of the design. You can argue about changing the housing system in the future but given how far ahead Square Enix plan these systems changes, 7.0 is the earlier we'll see anything which is still 18 months away (estimate based on when EW released and the current 4 month patch cycle). Wanting the current system to be fully functional, including the mechanic to free up plots owned by inactive players, is an entirely fair request to make until a proper housing system can be implemented. I'd argue it's also fair for Square Enix to reconsider ownership of multiple houses that was grandfathered in from a previous ruleset in which that was allowed.

I see you missed the part where I said that starting up demolition again WILL NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM. Do you have ANY idea at all just how few houses would be freed up and just how many people want houses? You could enable demolition tomorrow and your chances of getting a house would still be almost identical to what they currently are. So you wish to inconvenience people, some of whom really ARE unable to get back into the game through no fault of their own, for some perceived notion that it would make a difference in your chance to get a house? Yes, I call that CANNIBALISTIC.

[Eraden]

SE don't do very much on housing very often. But when they do, they actually do seem to pay attention to housing posts on the forum.

Housing was painful, the forums suggested placard clicking, placard clicking was implimented and caused so many damaged wrists. It solved nothing.
Housing was painful, the forums suggested lottery, and the complaints about housing have easily quadrupled or more. It solves nothing.
Housing is painful, people suggest "take houses away from people" well... guess what SE will do? And it won't solve anything.

But if we stop trying to take stuff away from people, SE might see "oh shit, they don't want housing exclusive after all" and do something.

We gotta stop suggesting that SE take stuff away from people, because they will read that, they will think it's what we want, and another 3 years will pass by.

Agreed, Shibi. We need to focus on asking for MORE housing to meet the demand. That is the only way this problem will be fixed.

[Johners]

But if we stop trying to take stuff away from people, SE might see "oh shit, they don't want housing exclusive after all" and do something.

We gotta stop suggesting that SE take stuff away from people, because they will read that, they will think it's what we want, and another 3 years will pass by.

I don't see how they fix housing without "taking something away". They could do instanced housing, for example, and have 100s of versions of each plot in one giant ward but then you'd lose the ability to walk around 24 unique districts per home world. Whatever Square Enix opt to do, there's only going to be one housing system and that ultimately means they need to accept that any development will negatively impact some players.

If they're going to keep with the ward system and have a fixed amount of housing plots per home world, fine, but at least enforce the ownership of one personal and one FC house across the entire player base to maximise the chance for everyone else. What I find rather amusing is that every time this specific discussion point comes up, the small portion of housing owners that owned multiple plots from the old ruleset immediately start writing paragraphs because they don't want to give up/lose additional plots.

I do wish, however, they'd actually just take housing seriously especially when you can go to the main FFXIV website and see housing listed as one of the game's main features. It's also a system involved with many word-of-mouth advertising points I'd hear from XIV players long before I started the game. Not just housing but also the glamour system and various RP/community events. I did pick up an FC room, number 1 actually which is cool, and the customisation options are kinda ass at times and there's some bizarre limits on what objects you can place and how you do so.

I see you missed the part where I said that starting up demolition again WILL NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM. Do you have ANY idea at all just how few houses would be freed up and just how many people want houses? You could enable demolition tomorrow and your chances of getting a house would still be almost identical to what they currently are. So you wish to inconvenience people, some of whom really ARE unable to get back into the game through no fault of their own, for some perceived notion that it would make a difference in your chance to get a house? Yes, I call that CANNIBALISTIC.

Housing demolition has been disabled for over six months now which is pretty ridiculous. Even if they enabled it tomorrow, it's a 90 day timer for inactivity so it would be over 9 months of an expansion before the auto demolition even triggered once. It's a necessary evil to have this timer because it ensures inactive players, regardless of their reason, don't permanently hog a limited resource.

[Jojoya]

Housing demolition has been disabled for over six months now which is pretty ridiculous. Even if they enabled it tomorrow, it's a 90 day timer for inactivity so it would be over 9 months of an expansion before the auto demolition even triggered once. It's a necessary evil to have this timer because it ensures inactive players, regardless of their reason, don't permanently hog a limited resource.

It's not 90 days. Demolition is 45 days and the timer picks up from where it was at the time demolition had been suspended assuming the house hadn't been entered since. Resume the demolition timer and all those players that can play but haven't been will suddenly show back up to reset their timers. What's left for demolition will be the houses of the few players who genuinely can't play.

Demolition might be a necessary evil, but as Eraden said it still does not solve the underlying problem. As Shibi said, why do we keep asking SE to take things away from players when solving the underlying problem would be a better solution.

Fix the supply issue and demolition becomes irrelevant. If they fix it so supply is like it is in many other MMOs with housing, multiple house ownership would also be irrelevant because players could own multiple houses without impacting the ability of another player to get one.

Limited supply of anything in a MMO that needs large numbers of happy players paying to sustain operations is not a good idea. MMOs don't thrive on elitism contrary to what elitists say. They thrive on players being happy because they're able to enjoy the content they like and get the rewards they want.

Someone see another player with a cool item? They say "I want to get that cool item, too!" Tell that player that they can't have that cool item because there were only 7200 and they've all been taken, and you get an unhappy player.