Who knew the 6.15 Omega Quests… (Spoilers)

[KariTheFox]

I mean, if Emet-Selch really wanted to join hands and come up with another solution he could have, y'know. Made it clear he was testing the inherent worth of humanity by seeing if the WoL was capable of handling thier lightwarden snacks. Instead of the whole, kidnapping our friend, threatening the people we care about, and goading us into succumbing to corruption thing that he did do.

Also, I fail to see how one person's ability to withstand being corrupted by a bunch of corruptive aether has any bearing on the inherent worth of all of mankind, but I'm not an ancient.

[tokinokanatae]

Instead of the whole, kidnapping our friend, threatening the people we care about, and goading us into succumbing to corruption.

I mean…all that was after was we failed the test…

[KariTheFox]

I mean…all that was after was we failed the test…

Funny, I don't remember the WoL ever succumbing to corruption completely and losing thier identity. When did we fail again? Pretty sure we passed pretty substansially.

[tokinokanatae]

Funny, I don't remember the WoL ever succumbing to corruption completely and losing thier identity. When did we fail again? Pretty sure we passed pretty substansially.

Our identity had nothing to do with the test. As Yoshi-P clarified above, the parameters of the test were if we could hold the light. We couldn’t; that’s why the sky went back to its former light aspect after we defeated Vauthry and our cup runneth over, so to speak.

[Brinne]

Funny, I don't remember the WoL ever succumbing to corruption completely and losing thier identity. When did we fail again? Pretty sure we passed pretty substansially.

What. What? ...what?

We collapse, are unable to act, and Y'shtola says outright we're "beginning to turn" after Innocence, and the only reason we didn't succumb on the spot was because of Ryne and her powers as the Oracle of Light. Even then, she - and Ardbert - tells us flat out it's a temporary measure at best and we're still going to explode soon. The only thing that actually stabilizes our condition is - wait for it - a Rejoining with Ardbert as our Shard, and even then, we're not truly healed without Emet-Selch cancelling out the light with his darkness at the very end.

It's, uh, pretty generous of Emet-Selch to accept the circumstances of our victory over him as "passing the test," if anything.

[KariTheFox]

What. What? ...what?

We collapse, are unable to act, and Y'shtola says outright we're "beginning to turn" after Innocence, and the only reason we didn't succumb on the spot was because of Ryne and her powers as the Oracle of Light. Even then, she - and Ardbert - tells us flat out it's a temporary measure at best and we're still going to explode soon. The only thing that actually stabilizes our condition is - wait for it - a Rejoining with Ardbert as our Shard, and even then, we're not truly healed without Emet-Selch cancelling out the light with his darkness at the very end.

It's, uh, pretty generous of Emet-Selch to accept the circumstances of our victory over him as "passing the test," if anything.

And why exactly is the ability for one person to perform an almost impossible biological feat the rubric for whether or not entire worlds deserve to die?

Wouldn't say, the way we got all the people of Nordvadnt to work together in chasing Vaurthy up Mt. Gulg be a much better sign of our ability to collaborate and solve problems?

The test was arbirtrary, not communicated clearly, and Emet-Selch had his thumb on the scales. At least he had the decency to accept defeat with grace when we beat him.

[Brinne]

And why exactly is the ability for one person to perform an almost impossible biological feat the rubric for whether or not entire worlds deserve to die?

Wouldn't say, the way we got all the people of Nordvadnt to work together in chasing Vaurthy up Mt. Gulg be a much better sign of our ability to collaborate and solve problems?

The test was arbirtrary, not communicated clearly, and Emet-Selch had his thumb on the scales. At least he had the decency to accept defeat with grace when we beat him.

Because part of Emet-Selch's concern was not just saving his people, it was also on the basis of, "would the Sundered be able to protect the star in the event of another Final Days-level calamity?" Can he trust them with being able to rise up to such a task? It's not hard to see why handling the light aether might tie into his logic on that front.

Even so, regardless of what you yourself think of the parameters of the test, it was administered, from Emet-Selch's perspective, on the basis of good faith and a sincere hope that we would pass and that together, we could find another way. That is indisputable. So any claims of "oh, he never really looked for another way, he'd always had his mind made up, he just wanted an excuse to condemn us" are flat-out, black and white, incorrect. Emet-Selch - as further indicated by Elpis - if anything, was desperately looking for an excuse to stop.

[KariTheFox]

Even so, regardless of what you yourself think of the parameters of the test, it was administered, from Emet-Selch's perspective, on the basis of good faith and a sincere hope that we would pass and that together, we could find another way. That is indisputable. So any claims of "oh, he never really looked for another way, he'd always had his mind made up, he just wanted an excuse to condemn us" are flat-out, black and white, incorrect. Emet-Selch - as further indicated by Elpis - if anything, was desperately looking for an excuse to stop.

He should have looked a little harder, then. I can think of plenty of good reasons for him to not keep rejoining worlds - like the lives of all the people in them.