Who knew the 6.15 Omega Quests… (Spoilers)

[SannaR]

So tinfoil hat time from me. What if she did indirectly try to tell them about Meteion? There's been two things that have been bothering me. One is the behavior of Azem. The whole they did whatever it is you think your Azem would have done is the correct answer, but we also know what Azem was doing we just can't tell you at this point in time as it would spoil other things answer has never sat well with me. The other one is why did Zodiark make the new life aetherical thinner? Who or why did he choose to do so? Was it because he couldn't make new life be as thick as Ancients? Which could lead to problems with the whole switch a bunch of thiner souls for a bunch of thicker souls idea. What if Venat and Co got Zodiark and mostly Elidibus to agree to make them thiner so they could be used against Meteion? Or if no one told/asked them to make said new life thiner then maybe the whole "leave the care of the star to this thiner younger life" line was supposed to mean that her group wanted to again use them to go find and battle Meteion? And the convocation for whatever reason didn't ask for clarification or they did and didn't get a clarification. Would explain why there was a need for a Hydelean Zodiark fight or why it felt pleas fell on deaf ears. I know there's a lot of holes and that some won't even agree with this theory and that's fine.

To the well the WoL could just find the unsundered versions of their friends thing. Not all of their friends were sundered Ancients. A few of them had bared witnesses to multiple star showers and never awoken to the echo which seems to be the tell tale sign that you used to be an Ancient.

[Kozh]

We didnt just observe though. We directly interacted with them. We werent some invisible entity or viewing this through the echo. We were literally there, interacting with them, and we are still doing so now in pandaemonium.

Endwalker is basically us taking the Exarch role of being a time traveler who can at the very least save people of another timeline; but unfortunately our champion, past!Venat, is a dumb bitch who instead retread the same events even though we gave her a cheat sheet.

[thegreatonemal]

How were they hiding? They thought the threat was gone. Venat was the only one with the knowledge that it wasn’t and she said nothing to prevent it all. What would you have them do exactly? Somehow figure out that there was still some intergalactic space flea? They didn’t choose a slow death. It wasn’t a choice. That’s beyond bizarre thinking. Literally look up the definition of genocide. Because by your description, the rejoinings are in the same boat. They aren’t genocide because the souls are recycled LOL.

The part where a member of the her faction told them as such that their doom had only been postponed. It fell on deaf ears. Did you think that the massive debate that erupted over all of this that the core of Zodiark had to pull himself to mediate was due to Veant's side being vague? As for why she didn't say anything before the final days she gives her reasons, all logical given the situation.

They chose a course of action that would lead to them all dying. Venat wanted to give life a chance to live and took it. You all keep overlooking the fact that the majority rejected doing anything but bringing their loved ones back.

For those of you really trying to conclude that the rejoinings are justified, you do know they'd all just die again and their initial sacrifice would have been for nothing right? You are aware that Metion wanted to end the reincarnation cycles right? You are aware that theirs is a society that simply doesn't care much about their own deaths because they know they return in some shape right? They aren't the same, one gave mankind a chance in the face of actual genocide and the other was useless bloodletting.

[redheadturk]

The part where a member of the her faction told them as such that their doom had only been postponed. It fell on deaf ears. Did you think that the massive debate that erupted over all of this that the core of Zodiark had to pull himself to mediate was due to Veant's side being vague? As for why she didn't say anything before the final days she gives her reasons, all logical given the situation.

They chose a course of action that would lead to them all dying. Venat wanted to give life a chance to live and took it. You all keep overlooking the fact that the majority rejected doing anything but bringing their loved ones back.

For those of you really trying to conclude that the rejoinings are justified, you do know they'd all just die again and their initial sacrifice would have been for nothing right? You are aware that Metion wanted to end the reincarnation cycles right? You are aware that theirs is a society that simply doesn't care much about their own deaths because they know they return in some shape right? They aren't the same, one gave mankind a chance in the face of actual genocide and the other was useless bloodletting.

Yes, but did not tell them why. If someone walked up to you and said "You're still doomed" and didn't tell you why so you could fix the problem I daresay you wouldn't be too keen on listening either. Also, full rejoinings after Meteion was defeated would be something I as the WoL would throw my full support behind.

[thegreatonemal]

Yes, but did not tell them why. If someone walked up to you and said "You're still doomed" and didn't tell you why so you could fix the problem I daresay you wouldn't be too keen on listening either. Also, full rejoinings after Meteion was defeated would be something I as the WoL would throw my full support behind.

I'm sure that will go over well with the population. Not to mention being pointless.

[AwesomeJr44]

I'm sure that will go over well with the population. Not to mention being pointless.

Aren't you the one who said souls get recycled and thus Venat was not genocidal? We can rejoin the shards and anyone who dies will be back in a couple years right? We should be staying consistent here. Either wiping people out is ok or it isn't. And I'd hardly call making the population their natural selves pointless. Life before the sundering was better than life afterwards, and rejoining the star would revert it.

[thegreatonemal]

Aren't you the one who said souls get recycled and thus Venat was not genocidal? We can rejoin the shards and anyone who dies will be back in a couple years right? We should be staying consistent here. Either wiping people out is ok or it isn't. And I'd hardly call making the population their natural selves pointless. Life before the sundering was better than life afterwards, and rejoining the star would revert it.

Yes souls are reincarnated. Did you forget about the part where the they were on the same path as those of the Plenty, even without the final days. Why would you put us back on that path? Why would you throw away everything that everyone has gone through to go back to the past? Their lives clearly weren't better. That life did make someone like Hermes.

We went over this in Shadowbringers Just because life ends doesn't mean it doesn't have any meaning or that you should toss it aside in favor of the past.
You can stop trying to twist my words now. Context is important.

[EaraGrace]

Do you believe:

1) Venat strolled through Amaurot during the Final Days and did nothing as she watched others being slaughtered in the streets?
2) That the Final Days were still occurring after the second sacrifice?
3) That Venat sundered the world before her battle with Zodiark and not as Hydaelyn?

If none of these things are accurate, then why would I believe her interaction with the Ancient strawmen is? There are reasons that cutscene is dismissed.

I believe we can recognize that the cutscene is not literal while also exploring what the cutscene is communicating. Especially when we can corroborate it with the the Unending Codex and the other statements by various characters in ShB and EW.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Yes souls are reincarnated. Did you forget about the part where the they were on the same path as those of the Plenty, even without the final days. Why would you put us back on that path? Why would you throw away everything that everyone has gone through to go back to the past? Their lives clearly weren't better. That life did make someone like Hermes.

We went over this in Shadowbringers Just because life ends doesn't mean it doesn't have any meaning or that you should toss it aside in favor of the past.
You can stop trying to twist my words now. Context is important.

You realize that after the sundering the sundered are now susceptible to becoming like both the first and second areas of the dead ends right? Those two would’ve been an impossibility for the ancients but they are now a major possibility for the sundered. 2 is worse than 1.

[thegreatonemal]

You realize that after the sundering the sundered are now susceptible to becoming like both the first and second areas of the dead ends right? Those two would’ve been an impossibility for the ancients but they are now a major possibility for the sundered. 2 is worse than 1.

So end all their lives for no real reason so the newly reincarnated people can end up like the third? Why? Everybody dies, why do whole worlds need to die right this second?