So uh, wheres the long lasting content?

[IkaraGreydancer]

What I mean by reset is, for example if you beat some or all the savage fights, you get gear that is initially better than tome gear. After a couple of months with a combination of tome gear and savage gear, you will have BIS gear. When the next savage tier releases (after the one you just did) they release new crafted gear which will beat the gear you worked for in the previous savage tier, which kinda feels like ‘why bother’, if you’re doing savage for the gear. Also outside of ultimate, there’s no content that needs savage gear.

That wouldn't be akin to progression reseting. Not to me at least. BUT that part there is the key. "Why bother?". That answer is gonna vary widely by the player. Savage has no shortage of folks doing it despite knowing that gear won't last forever. Some do it for fun, some do it for the exclusive weapons, some do it for the dyable gear, some for bragging rights, some for the challenge. Some all of the above.
There's no content that needs ultimate weapons either yet that doesn't stop folks from doing it ya know? It's all on shat the player wants out of it.

For me? Savage is to stressful so I don't touch it for that reason alone

[Thoosa]

True

I just want more mid core light party content that is fast and accessible to run in pugs which you can repeat and gives you reasons to repeat it, it doesn’t have to reward gear, it could reward glams, mounts, pets, other stuff. Content would last longer if people had incentives and reasons to rerun it and would give SE more budget to develop other things, because people might stay subbed for longer periods.

[pikalovr]

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it sure does seem that thats what everyone thinks we want, literally looking at most of the responses here when they ask what we want. what do they bring up not bozja not eureka or any other content almost immediately "so you want daily forced content?". which is what it was aimed at, and yes daily roulettes are in fact artifically forced if you want to stack up rewards from them (mainly the materia trade-ins) cause you have no way to save up and come back say once a week and get more materials. lostark does have a system like this by letting you at least get double drops from content every 3 days you're away up to a cap of course a week. if it wasn't for the fact that you locked a game mechanics drops to a daily roulette. pentamelding or just melding in general since you can specifically get the materias you want with the trade ins. how many max level players would even attempt it? think about it. just cause it's not forced on you if you don't meld or use it to level. doesn't mean it's not made to be artifically forced for other players. or are we just supposed go based off your experience? hmm sounds familiar now doesn't it.

you really want me to poll every BLM in the game? or go with the general consensus that BLM is literally a different job every 10 levels between 50-70? which is already proving my point. if you want to play level 90 BLM why would you sync yourself to 50 and be playing an almost completely different job? stop coming in here with "wheres your proof" where's yours? i literally have the general consensus on my side what's your proof? or can you not do that? don't ask for proof when you yourself can't even provide any solid counterpoints or proof

bozja needs to be scaled to 90 cause if you're bringing eureka up it makes sense to bring the other one up as well we're already getting a level 90 deep dungeon so HOH and POTD are fine and prolly will remain fine since they're just quick little things for you to do and barely get anything out of compared to something on a larger scale like spawning NMs or farming solo CEs in bozja/eureka. the only thing i'd want to see for POTD and HOH is the option to just load a 1-200/1-100 floor instance with a rest floor every 10 that you can save your progress and leave if you want but not have to redo the whole que system even tho you're playing solo. if you want to practice with your end game kit do the end game content. are you... are you serious rn? we're literally complaining about the fact we have almost no end game content TO USE OUR KITS IN NOT PRACTICE. you can practice your kit literally at any training dummy or SSS. thats been covered for years

thats why you work on them. you don't just throw them out, keep them current. add more to achieve or work towards, work on issues people have with it etc... so while you work on the next big thing players can go back and do other things that are scaled to their levels. also once again it's literally less dev time overall to scale mobs/encounters up and add a few more glam, minion, mount grinds (hell you get basically nothing for reaching max level and medals in bozja) than making an entirely new zone from scratch. we shouldn't really be worrying about dev time when the game literally accounts for majority of SEs profits but i digress.

at that point i can just set a hoop and stick in front of you and say pay me 15$ a month to tap the hoop with the stick. it's almost as if why over the years there's been generalizations/rules of what is to be expected when people bring up certain things. are there things that break those generalizations/rules? yes. but when you talk about development and making content the terms are usually set in stone unless there's a really good reason for it to be used in another way.

[IkaraGreydancer]

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Youre basically advocating for all content to be brought up to max and worth doing (subjective). And while that isnt exactly an issue, I personally dont think thats the best way forward. No content is just thrown away mind you (unless removed from the game akin to Feast or old Diadem), thats a player made choice outside of that. And you SAY you have the general consensus yet I've yet to see you post that tbf. Not saying youre lying, just pointing that out. But let's say we go by that
Is it really so bad that you wasted time on a class you ended up not liking...in a genre designed to basically waste time? Not really imo. And you keep bringing up this "forced" bs. Do you not know what that word means? What about dailies and roulettes makes you do something against your will? What about the game at large? News flash, NOTHING. You have the choice to farm, you have the choice to do dailies, you have the choice to do EX, Savage, craft, gather, the whole 9 yards. And no your little maneuver to saying "artificially forcing" holds no weight either. And you made the claim first that certain classes aren't made for 50 content. I asked for some proof of this and your response is "well where is your proof?". Lol YOU MADE THE CLAIM FIRST XD. But I'll humor you. I could hop into a discord at some point and run every piece of 50 content with every class (Blu included) and show you they ALL do perfectly fine. You can argue you don't like how certain things FEEL at 50 and how some jobs could have some skills added or swapped. But you can't claim anything in the game isn't made for 50 content.

Also sorry but myself and many others would MUCH rather have new content rather than costanly updated old content. Ofc if the scenario was one or the other. Oh and we SHOULD be worrying about dev time as they are people at the end of the day, not machines. Xiv may print money doesn't xiv is getting all or even most of it.

Idk what it is dude. You really have an issue with folks not agreeing with you. Also how does ANY of what's being discussed equate to a hoop and a stick? Or is that your clever attempt at a jab by saying I'll accept garbage?

(Messed the quote up, to lazy to fix xD)

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

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I just want more mid core light party content that is fast and accessible to run in pugs which you can repeat and gives you reasons to repeat it, it doesn’t have to reward gear, it could reward glams, mounts, pets, other stuff. Content would last longer if people had incentives and reasons to rerun it and would give SE more budget to develop other things, because people might stay subbed for longer periods.

.......this is already a thing.

[Rolder50]

.......this is already a thing.

Where exactly? The closest I can think of is deep dungeons, and that's a little eh, considering how it scales and can be done solo, not to mention the general *lack* of rewards from it.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Where exactly? The closest I can think of is deep dungeons, and that's a little eh, considering how it scales and can be done solo, not to mention the general *lack* of rewards from it.

Savage Rewards Mounts. Sure not ALL of them I think, but they do.
Gear is also Glamour, and some Savage Fights reward Unique Glamours...Sigmascape and Alphascape for example. Even the Current Pandemonium Savage.

You can say I jumped the shark a lil bit, because I dont think..or I dont remembered if Savage gives misc rewards or Pets. But EX fights and Dungeons do.
So most if not all content does have Rewards that would encourage replayablility.
Just...it always comes down to...do you want to do it.

[IkaraGreydancer]

Where exactly? The closest I can think of is deep dungeons, and that's a little eh, considering how it scales and can be done solo, not to mention the general *lack* of rewards from it.

Ehh while potd n such CAN be done solo there's a reason the title from that is rare. There's alot of stuff to get from those but the better loot is from the higher floors. Ofc the new deep dungeon were getting will probably follow suit. Potd to 200/HoH to 100 has probably some of the most fun I've had in xiv with friends (though it seems floor 183 is our bane lmao).

[SassyAssassin]

In FFXVI.
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[Striker44]

Everytime someone has brought up a lack of content in EW or low quality content people have brought up how we’re getting the Tataru quests and the Omega quests. So, i gave the benefit of the doubt and said okay maybe this will be fully fleshed out long lasting quests. I guess i was wrong. Completed both in about an hour and a half…. So where exactly is all this new long lasting content? We still have to wait until what, July or August for 6.2?

Umm...everywhere? I've been playing regularly since about 2017 or 2018 and I *still* have a laundry list of things I'm looking to do...