Opinion: Split all MH/OH for glam

[Myrias]

Curious what the general opinion is around having more glam options by splitting weapons where possible between MH/OH. Seems simple, but I could see this kind of change being annoying for glam dresser and collectors though due to extra slot usage.

For sure can split: NIN, MNK, DNC, AST
Questionable due to clipping: RDM, SAM
Unlikely for obvious reasons: MCH (why no box glam?)

Also if SE had addressed this previously would be interested haven't found anything so far.

[Azuri]

All paired weapons are a single mirrored model. Splitting them up means halving the resourses allocated to every weapon. That doesn't seem like a worthwhile trade-off.

If anything, I'd welcome a reverse where off-hand slot is removed completely. PLD can just have the weapon/shield paired and for gatherers it's just a stat stick anyway.

[LeonKeyh]

[...]Seems simple[...]

It definitely isn't. It's been brought up before and there's a lot of work that would need to be done in order to do something like this.

Definitely unlikely to happen.

[Seraphor]

It definitely isn't. It's been brought up before and there's a lot of work that would need to be done in order to do something like this.

Definitely unlikely to happen.

Agree it's definitely unlikely, but there could be a relatively simple way of doing it.
You introduce purely-glam versions of the offhand/left-hand weapon, level 1 with no stats or ilvl, that can be equipped in the offhand slot.
This way, the only potentially tricky part is 'hiding' the main hands version of the off-hand weapon.

This wouldn't work well for all weapons, for example although Ninja would be the prime candidate for alternative off-hand weapons, you couldn't feasibly create duplicate versions for every potential Ninja sword out there. Whereas AST, MCH, SAM, could potentially have glam-only variants of a few different card decks/battery packs/sheaths.

[Tsiron]

Curious what the general opinion is around having more glam options by splitting weapons where possible between MH/OH.

I definitely think they ought to, even if it ends up being just for Glamour!

All paired weapons are a single mirrored model. Splitting them up means halving the resourses allocated to every weapon. That doesn't seem like a worthwhile trade-off.

They don't actually seem to be. While NIN, RDM, SAM, DNC etc. weapons are all considered dual wielding, each 'hand' is a separate model!

[Brightamethyst]

If anything, I'd welcome a reverse where off-hand slot is removed completely. PLD can just have the weapon/shield paired and for gatherers it's just a stat stick anyway.

The fact that it would kill shield glamours is probably the only reason they didn't do away with PLD off-hands years ago.

[LeonKeyh]

Agree it's definitely unlikely, but there could be a relatively simple way of doing it.
You introduce purely-glam versions of the offhand/left-hand weapon, level 1 with no stats or ilvl, that can be equipped in the offhand slot.
This way, the only potentially tricky part is 'hiding' the main hands version of the off-hand weapon.

This wouldn't work well for all weapons, for example although Ninja would be the prime candidate for alternative off-hand weapons, you couldn't feasibly create duplicate versions for every potential Ninja sword out there. Whereas AST, MCH, SAM, could potentially have glam-only variants of a few different card decks/battery packs/sheaths.

That would mean recoding the entire weapon system in addition to doubling the number of weapons, figuring out how you unlock/get those vanity items, explaining the system to everyone, defaulting to showing what's in the first slot if nothing is in the second slot, and so much QA work to make sure it all works with so many different areas where it could cause issues.

It would be really cool. I've seen some neat mock ups of NINs with one fire dagger and one ice dagger which was really neat. There isn't a "simple" way of doing it though and just isn't going to happen.

The fact that it would kill shield glamours is probably the only reason they didn't do away with PLD off-hands years ago.

That's absolutely the case. They went out of their way with special equipment purchasing systems just so people can keep their sword/shield glams.

[Saraide]

Machinist box in general just only being one default box is a crime.

[Myrias]

Simple isn't the right word, that's fair - but a lot of what it would take system-wise has at least been done in-game:
- stat-less weapons for glam can exist (Emperor's fist) - edit: not truly stat-less, but PLD shield has no dmg so its doable at least
- OH slot still exists thanks to crafters/gatherers and PLD.
- the NIN weapon design winner is a knife and fork set, which is not-mirrored model. To be far, we don't know if they would implement as-is but nothing implies they wouldn't

There are levels of implementation that could be done, or phased rolled out. Maybe only have OH glam slots going forward, do nothing for pre-existing skins... I don't care for the "it would be too hard" argument since its a question of value vs cost and only SE could give a real answer. Upfront would be more work but once online would be very simple to maintain.

The game is old, so there could be far-reaching implications that isn't worth it, which is where any SE response would be cool to see. I'll have to try to see if this question made it into a Q&A or similar.

[Azuri]

They don't actually seem to be. While NIN, RDM, SAM, DNC etc. weapons are all considered dual wielding, each 'hand' is a separate model!

This is not a speculation. Yoshida has addressed this request in one of the Live Letters not that long ago