Did SE finally killed Windows 7?

[Seera1024]

No one should still be using hardware from 2009 and SSD's are dirt cheap now.

My desktop is about 7 years old and has a SSD and a larger HDD in it. The SSD is relatively small - small enough that I have to be careful with what I have on my C Drive.

My second drive is a HDD because I couldn't justify the money it would have taken to buy a comparable SSD in size to the HDD at the time of purchase.

At this point, unless an upgrade is like $5, the next time my computer needs an upgrade to do something, that something will have to wait until I get a new computer. Yes, I know drives would be compatible, but the whole transferring of files from one drive to the next is tedious especially since I've got software installed on it.

Not everyone has an endless amount of money with which to buy luxury items. And a computer capable of gaming is a luxury item. Some of us have to weigh what luxury items we want with our necessary purchases like food and shelter.

[Arrhin]

At this point there's no convincing some people about security. Win7 is NOT supported except for the odd high profile security fix. Go ahead, run it, claim any excuse you want but MS was GIVING away a modern, secure OS for years and you didn't take it, now many are crowing on about costs and luxuries. Running a patched, secure OS is a GD responsibility, not a luxury. Not only are you putting your own data (and probably financials/identity) at risk, but everyone you deal with whilst using compromised machine. You are not some kind of old school hero, you guys are the bread and butter of every scammer and bad actor out there. Win7 is STILL one of the most targeted OS's due to the amount of even more irresponsible businesses and institutions still running it. FFS a local bike shop around here just had their ass handed to them financially because of a ransomware attack. PoS terminals all ran win7, all data lost because no back ups. INSURANCE DID NOT COVER THE LOSSES. I mean, I do understand your objections but most, if not all the issues around 10 have been resolved, just as they were with 7, and it was vilified just as much as 10 was. And yes, DA:O runs just bloody fine on 10...

[Packetdancer]

Second, PS4 isn't even holding back the game right now, Lower end PCs are ultimately what are holding back the game (well, the engine is). There would need to be a HUGE amount changes to a HUGE amount of things for 7.0 to come anywhere near the limits of the PS4. look at Final Fantasy 7 Remake, Red Dead Redemption II, God of War, Uncharted 4. FFXIV has a lot of room to improve before it hits the limits of the PS4.

The average skirmish around an S-Rank mob in a current zone involves far more combatants than any fight I can think of in the FF7 Remake. I would lay solid odds that if there are limitations the PS4 imposes on the client, they're along the lines of "how many active entities -- e.g., PCs, mobs, whatever can move around and engage in combat -- can be instanced in a given radius before they need to be culled."

The PS4 has 8GB of RAM, which I believe is shared between the CPU and GPU -- meaning that 8GB of RAM also needs to function as texture and graphics buffer memory; I can absolutely believe they might run into issues there with regards to how many players are packed into a relatively small space when Chi is up in Ultima Thule or whatnot.

I do agree with you that the PS4 is not the main constraining factor on keeping any chunks of the engine from being updated; the potato end of the supported system specs on PC is a good chunk of the problem... and to be honest, the state of the macOS client (e.g., the Windows client running through at least one and possibly two translation layers for logic, and two more translation layers for every graphics call) almost certainly does not help matters.

But I don't think that it's impossible that the PS4 is a constraining factor on improving the client. Just not the main one.

[MilkieTea]

At this point there's no convincing some people about security. Win7 is NOT supported except for the odd high profile security fix. Go ahead, run it, claim any excuse you want but MS was GIVING away a modern, secure OS for years and you didn't take it, now many are crowing on about costs and luxuries. Running a patched, secure OS is a GD responsibility, not a luxury. Not only are you putting your own data (and probably financials/identity) at risk, but everyone you deal with whilst using compromised machine. You are not some kind of old school hero, you guys are the bread and butter of every scammer and bad actor out there. Win7 is STILL one of the most targeted OS's due to the amount of even more irresponsible businesses and institutions still running it. FFS a local bike shop around here just had their ass handed to them financially because of a ransomware attack. PoS terminals all ran win7, all data lost because no back ups. INSURANCE DID NOT COVER THE LOSSES. I mean, I do understand your objections but most, if not all the issues around 10 have been resolved, just as they were with 7, and it was vilified just as much as 10 was. And yes, DA:O runs just bloody fine on 10...

This x1000

If you're running win7 for backwards compatibility with certain softwares then dualboot. I ran my old PC build with a cheap $5 win10 license off of alibaba with no issues, if cost is your concern.

[Larirawiel]

Its 2022, why are you still using a spinning drive?

Unless you're using something like optane to cache data your bootup time is going to be slow on both OS's with a HDD, but win10 fast boot feature is still going to make it boot a few seconds faster than 7's outdated quick boot feature.

Also, Windows 10 came out in 2015. Of course its going to be slower on outdated hardware from 2009. That's just how hardware and software works.

I use SSDs, except my external HDD for backups. But i have to disable quick start because it causes issues from time to time. And without quick start, Windows 10 starts not so fast. A Linux desktop starts way faster from a HDD than Windows 10 from a SSD. And that is a thing i do not like.

And the funny thing is, Microsoft forces OEMs to make a SSD as a boot device:
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/mi...11-pcs-by-2023

I guess, they exactly know, that Windows 11 is extremly slow without proper hardware. And imagine how fast it would start when it would be as fast as Windows 7. But they would have to disable the whole telemetrie stuff, which runs in the background.



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[Doc_Seraph]

Yepp, Final Fantasy on an IBM mainframe rocks!


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In the future we will use quantum processors with terminals for unlimited power!!!!!! <3 kupo jk

[Ransu]

I use SSDs, except my external HDD for backups. But i have to disable quick start because it causes issues from time to time. And without quick start, Windows 10 starts not so fast. A Linux desktop starts way faster from a HDD than Windows 10 from a SSD. And that is a thing i do not like.

And the funny thing is, Microsoft forces OEMs to make a SSD as a boot device:
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/mi...11-pcs-by-2023

I guess, they exactly know, that Windows 11 is extremly slow without proper hardware. And imagine how fast it would start when it would be as fast as Windows 7. But they would have to disable the whole telemetrie stuff, which runs in the background.



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Linux is a barebones OS, of course it loads fast.

Windows 7 uses telemetry too...

[technole]

I think some people stuck on Windows 7 just like to make up things about Windows 10 or 11 and it shows.

Windows 10 is leaps and bounds a completely different animal than it was in 2015, and Windows 11 is even better (auto HDR among other things)


As for PS4, it'll get one more expansion at minimum. Just like all games, support is mainly driven on Sony supporting the hardware and when they stop producing them, which is targeted at end of 2022 is when the clock begins to tick. That puts it around 2025-2026 being pulled from XIV, plenty of time for the PS4 apologist to realize it.

[Vrankyl]

I use SSDs, except my external HDD for backups. But i have to disable quick start because it causes issues from time to time. And without quick start, Windows 10 starts not so fast. A Linux desktop starts way faster from a HDD than Windows 10 from a SSD. And that is a thing i do not like.

And the funny thing is, Microsoft forces OEMs to make a SSD as a boot device:
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/mi...11-pcs-by-2023

I guess, they exactly know, that Windows 11 is extremly slow without proper hardware. And imagine how fast it would start when it would be as fast as Windows 7. But they would have to disable the whole telemetrie stuff, which runs in the background.



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Well of course Windows 10 and Windows 11 are going to run slower than older OSs on outdated hardware. They have more added in, more processes being done, and were not optimized for that hardware. Both windows 10 and Windows 11 were built to be run on SSDs and are optimized for it where as Windows 7 was still optimized for HDDs. This is merely just a statement of 'it runs worse when I run it on things that are less than the minimum specs and older than what it is designed for compared to an OS that the hardware meets the min specs for and on hardware that it was designed for' is purely asinine.

That said, the day was coming. 32 bit should have been dead in the water a long time ago, and even Microsoft has stopped supporting Win7 and most new games don't support it. Things change, and we have to adapt.

Edit: fixed my terminology cause brain don't wanna work this early.

[MilkieTea]

I use SSDs, except my external HDD for backups. But i have to disable quick start because it causes issues from time to time. And without quick start, Windows 10 starts not so fast. A Linux desktop starts way faster from a HDD than Windows 10 from a SSD. And that is a thing i do not like.

Windows 10 started in 30 seconds on my HDD, and was usable within 1 minute after startup. Switching to a Win11 PC with an SSD, and it starts in 10 seconds. If 1 minute and 30 seconds is slow, or 10 seconds is slow, then I believe the problem might exist between the screen and the chair.