Is the WoL actually good though?

[Theodric]

"Decided to go brutally murder a pregnant woman." Wow that's a hell of a take......

(Especially since the broodmother is not killed, there's a side quest chain to help her safely lay her eggs, but that wouldn't make it sound nearly as evil, right?)

What exactly is not 'brutal' about a pregnant woman being put down like a rabid dog?

That aside, the broodmother you are referring to belongs to a different tribe. The one slain in Anamnesis Anyder is someone different.

[TheMightyMollusk]

What exactly is not 'brutal' about a pregnant woman being put down like a rabid dog?

That aside, the broodmother you are referring to belongs to a different tribe. The one slain in Anamnesis Anyder is someone different.

My mistake on which broodmother, it's been a while.

Of course, you're also leaving out any context. Like how the broodmother in question was preparing to start a war and was willing to commit genocide on the Ondo if they didn't join her, or that they were displaced because of a literal apocalypse and violently refusing any attempts at peace. But "the Scions are murdering racists" is easier, I guess.

[Theodric]

My mistake on which broodmother, it's been a while.

Of course, you're also leaving out any context. Like how the broodmother in question was preparing to start a war and was willing to commit genocide on the Ondo if they didn't join her, or that they were displaced because of a literal apocalypse and violently refusing any attempts at peace. But "the Scions are murdering racists" is easier, I guess.

Huh? I think you may want to go back and read through my post again. I didn't suggest that there weren't reasons for it happening or justifications. I simply pointed out that if a particular character has to justify the murder of a pregnant woman then they're morally grey at best. I'm not suggesting everyone has to agree with that - it's just my personal thoughts on the subject.

Furthermore at no point did I suggest that the Scions were 'racist', either. Murderers? Certainly. There's plenty of lives which could have been spared but were not. Though there has been a pleasant shift towards trying to save as many people as possible as of late Shadowbringers and beyond.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Furthermore at no point did I suggest that the Scions were 'racist', either.

Of course, I suppose it helps that the pregnant woman in question was an off shoot of the Sahagin! I imagine the situation would be taken very differently by most if it was a pregnant woman who looked like Venat, Lyse or Y'shtola instead.

Yeah, you kinda did. Even if not intentional, it's pretty hard not to read it like that.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Yeah, you kinda did. Even if not intentional, it's pretty hard not to read it like that.

I dont see it as racist at all. Moreso it seems to be more like, if this character wasnt ugly but actually pretty instead. Factually people react more positively and understanding towards someone they perceive as pretty or handsome. I think we even see this mirrored in game where after the omega fight he uses his female form to talk to us.

[CrownySuccubus]

I dont see it as racist at all. Moreso it seems to be more like, if this character wasnt ugly but actually pretty instead. Factually people react more positively and understanding towards someone they perceive as pretty or handsome.

I mean, this isn't an either/or, mutually-exclusive fact.

Racists typically tend to find the features of their preferred ethnicity (or ethnicities) beautiful and humanize those people more than they do for the features of ethnicities they dislike or despise. In fact, stating that someone is more willing to kill a thinking, sentient person based on beauty standards inherent to their race is pointing out the most basic kind of racism.

[Necrotica]

I mean, this isn't an either/or, mutually-exclusive fact.

Racists typically tend to find the features of their preferred ethnicity (or ethnicities) beautiful and humanize those people more than they do for the features of ethnicities they dislike or despise. In fact, stating that someone is more willing to kill a thinking, sentient person based on beauty standards inherent to their race is pointing out the most basic kind of racism.

The uggos got to die and I will not apologize.

[Theodric]

Yeah, you kinda did. Even if not intentional, it's pretty hard not to read it like that.

Well, if the shoe fits...though I was referring more to her appearance rather than her race.

I thought it was interesting that the Scions approved of the idea of moving mountains in order to rescue Halric and Ga Bu who were both - conveniently - presented as 'cute' but there's only stubborn commitment to the idea of putting down a desperate broodmother despite her pregnancy and the consequences being the risk of her people dying out or at least fading into irrelevancy.