Petition to keep non-instanced dungeons.

[Sephrick]

I would like you to create a non brain dead thread with 200+ likes

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As I said in the other thread. You pt too much value in someone clicking the like button.

Here's a thread I made a while back making a very clear case that XI never was a hardcore game.

By your standards, those 175 "likes" would suggest that my opinion was that of the majority.

But just because they liked it didn't mean they agreed. Maybe they just appreciated the tone. Or use of good grammar. Or how I presented my ideas.

So don't assume that just because you're nearing 200 "likes" that it means anything, or that any amount is quantifiable to some level of approval.

I can post a picture of a cat captioned "Manqo'te beta" that would probably get a few hundred likes but that doesn't mean people think male felines should beta test XIV.

[Exni]

As I said in the other thread. You pt too much value in someone clicking the like button.

Here's a thread I made a while back making a very clear case that XI never was a hardcore game.

By your standards, those 175 "likes" would suggest that my opinion was that of the majority.

But just because they liked it didn't mean they agreed. Maybe they just appreciated the tone. Or use of good grammar. Or how I presented my ideas.

So don't assume that just because you're nearing 200 "likes" that it means anything, or that any amount is quantifiable to some level of approval.

I can post a picture of a cat captioned "Manqo'te beta" that would probably get a few hundred likes but that doesn't mean people think male felines should beta test XIV.

The likes on your post were simply people who rarely, if ever, played XI.. or simply didn't like it for whatever reason.

The likes on this post are because open-world content > instanced content.

[Sephrick]

The likes on your post were simply people who rarely, if ever, played XI.. or simply didn't like it for whatever reason.

The likes on this post are because open-world content > instanced content.

Like I said before, you're delusional. Basically you just said "it only counts if they like my post."

You have no evidence to support how much people did or didn't play XI. So according to you logic the majority of people felt there was nothing truly challenging about XI.

But your 200 likes, whether they support you or not, are paltry in comparison of the 75% of players who a year ago voted for the important stuff to be instanced. So, since they shipped around 600,000 units around that time, you only need about another 449,800 likes for any of this to be relevant.

[Gramul]

Like I said before, you're delusional. Basically you just said "it only counts if they like my post."

You have no evidence to support how much people did or didn't play XI. So according to you logic the majority of people felt there was nothing truly challenging about XI.

But your 200 likes, whether they support you or not, are paltry in comparison of the 75% of players who a year ago voted for the important stuff to be instanced. So, since they shipped around 600,000 units around that time, you only need about another 449,800 likes for any of this to be relevant.

Sample sizes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sample_size_determination

[Sephrick]

Sample sizes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sample_size_determination

Okay.

With the server merge they're reducing to 10 servers each said to have an ideal population of about 2,000. To play with round numbers we'll assume that means SE know there currently is 20,000 active players subscribing to XIV.

So essentially 200 of 20,000 is 1%.

Plus there's no data for the other side of the opinion. Either you vote in support of the OP or not at all. There's no scientific way for a player to poll other players. The only hard data we have is SE's own Player's Poll which restricted votes to one per active account and was done in a way where those who don't frequent the forums were made aware of the vote.

3 to 1, people were in support of instances.

And we see how well everything turned out.

Eloquent.

You act as though SE has made all their intended changes and there was some mass exodus as a result.

Populations are down because the game isn't anywhere near what people wanted. The players polls were intended to shape the direction of 2.0. They're designing their servers and engine to include things like instances and a cross-server dungeon finder.

You act like instances built to run on a crippled server system and underutilized engine are somehow evidence of things to come. They're just things to keep us dedicated fans busy while staying true to the 2.0 vision.

We're currently still between two versions of the game. And the population levels are reflective of the fact that most gamers won't tolerate broken design. They want to see fulfilled promises -- which won't happen till 2.0 is live.

[Gramul]

Okay.

With the server merge they're reducing to 10 servers each said to have an ideal population of about 2,000. To play with round numbers we'll assume that means SE know there currently is 20,000 active players subscribing to XIV.

So essentially 200 of 20,000 is 1%.

Plus there's no data for the other side of the opinion. Either you vote in support of the OP or not at all. There's no scientific way for a player to poll other players. The only hard data we have is SE's own Player's Poll which restricted votes to one per active account and was done in a way where those who don't frequent the forums were made aware of the vote.

3 to 1, people were in support of instances.

And Nielsen ratings only account for 0.02183% of American viewers. But it works because they use sample sizes.

[Sephrick]

And Nielsen ratings only account for 0.02183% of American viewers. But it works because they use sample sizes.

But Nielson polls whether it's like or not. They don't call their samples houses and say "tell us you likes it or your vote doesn't count."

[LemmingKingXXX]

And Nielsen ratings only account for 0.02183% of American viewers. But it works because they use sample sizes.

Carefully, meticulously selected sample sizes that strive to capture as much of a complete picture as possible of the population as a whole without actually polling 330 million people. I don't recall ever hearing Rokkien talk about his statistics training or how he took multiple census, analyzed them for demographic data and chose a select %1 of the population, asking each of them to read the thread and "like" if they agreed with his point of view.
Sample sizes are only worthwhile when they are accurately created, and even when that is the case they can contain at least some error, that's why all the formulas governing samples have mathematical "corrections" in place to help minimize and account for that ever present error.

[ThePatriarch]

Like I said before, you're delusional. Basically you just said "it only counts if they like my post."

You have no evidence to support how much people did or didn't play XI. So according to you logic the majority of people felt there was nothing truly challenging about XI.

But your 200 likes, whether they support you or not, are paltry in comparison of the 75% of players who a year ago voted for the important stuff to be instanced. So, since they shipped around 600,000 units around that time, you only need about another 449,800 likes for any of this to be relevant.

And we see how well everything turned out.

[Exni]

Like I said before, you're delusional. Basically you just said "it only counts if they like my post."

You have no evidence to support how much people did or didn't play XI. So according to you logic the majority of people felt there was nothing truly challenging about XI.

But your 200 likes, whether they support you or not, are paltry in comparison of the 75% of players who a year ago voted for the important stuff to be instanced. So, since they shipped around 600,000 units around that time, you only need about another 449,800 likes for any of this to be relevant.

Did you even realize that I'm not the OP..? Not that it matters.. you stopped making sense awhile ago..