SE, is it that hard to make the Mogstation outfits dyable?

[Padudu]

Uh, what this has to do with the issue? Other outfits being dyeable won't change the fact that Lyse's outfit is the one I want, but in a different color. Different items.

This is like you going into a store for a t-shirt and the sales person trying to convince you to buy a dress because they don't have the t-shirt in the color you like.

The best part about that non-answer to me is that they looked through my Lodestone. Even if you want to call me a new player, isn't this a bad look that a NEW player is calling the new cash shop item lazy and you have people of varying play lengths agreeing? lol

Don't get me wrong, I really enjoy the game on a whole. Hell, I really liked EW, and I like what this game has to offer most of the time, otherwise I wouldn't play it. But you have healers at their worst right now, tanks being homogenized (sorry if spelled badly, don't feel like looking up correct spelling), hrothgar/viera fiasco, the whole addon controversy, BLM overbuffed. I got hit by the housing bug, in the middle of a personal housing shortage or whatever you want to call it, and while we have that, we're in between patches where there hasn't been a huge controversy. Talk about new player experience lol! The undyable, onesie outfit back-to-back is just icing on top.

[Raikai]

The best part about that non-answer to me is that they looked through my Lodestone. Even if you want to call me a new player, isn't this a bad look that a NEW player is calling the new cash shop item lazy and you have people of varying play lengths agreeing? lol

Don't get me wrong, I really enjoy the game on a whole. Hell, I really liked EW, and I like what this game has to offer most of the time, otherwise I wouldn't play it. But you have healers at their worst right now, tanks being homogenized (sorry if spelled badly, don't feel like looking up correct spelling), hrothgar/viera fiasco, the whole addon controversy, BLM overbuffed. I got hit by the housing bug, in the middle of a personal housing shortage or whatever you want to call it, and while we have that, we're in between patches where there hasn't been a huge controversy. Talk about new player experience lol! The undyable, onesie outfit back-to-back is just icing on top.

I wouldn't even put this outfit issue among those other problems, because (I might be mistaken on this because I didn't read it myself) somebody mentioned that it was stated that the Mogstation team is separate from the game.

[Avidria]

I wouldn't even put this outfit issue among those other problems, because (I might be mistaken on this because I didn't read it myself) somebody mentioned that it was stated that the Mogstation team is separate from the game.

Tbh the origin of the problem doesn't change much about the end user experience in this case
I also love the game and wouldn't have bought this outfit anyway because I think every part of it except the hair and maybe the pants are pretty ugly buuuut I see their point about just... A pile of unfortunate things kinda piling up
Makes even the minor grievances sting a lil more

[Padudu]

I wouldn't even put this outfit issue among those other problems, because (I might be mistaken on this because I didn't read it myself) somebody mentioned that it was stated that the Mogstation team is separate from the game.

Even if it's a different team, it's still going into the game. So we should be expecting the same/better quality as the normal team IMO.

[Iscah]

Interesting that the hairstyle's default color isn't locked, yet the outfit itself cannot be dyed.

I assume that hairstyles work differently and don't have a colour actually assigned to them, so it just draws from the character model information automatically?

From looking at character data on other sites, it seems that the hair colour has to be set correctly for NPCs as well and can occasionally go wrong.

I don't know how many people noticed it, particularly since NPCs get so crowded-around when patches first launched, but in 5.3 one instance of the Exarch was missing the white highlights in his hair (each time a character changes location it's technically a different NPC) and they had to correct it with a later update.

[Absurdity]

I assume that hairstyles work differently and don't have a colour actually assigned to them, so it just draws from the character model information automatically?

Armor, skin and hair do indeed use different methods to assign color to them.

Skin and hair use whatever value you set it to in the character creator, I assume the devs have something less "visual" to design hundreds of NPCs, probably just a menu with a bunch of numerical values, which might also explain how things occasionally go wrong.

Armor pieces on the other hand have dye channels assigned to them with a pretermined color, for when it's undyed, a toggle for whether or not a part is dyeable and settings for how it changes color when you dye it, like cloth being very matte while plate armor often has a metallic sheen to it.

[Arrius]

I get the argument that is to "preserve the identity of the NPC"... but is that really a valuable thing to hold on?

I would still see "Lyse in Purple" or "Alphinaud in Pink" with dyeable options, is not like the NPC suddenly becomes unrecognizable.

But above everything else, being dyeable would increase the desirability of the items, which means more sales.

I personally just purchase NPC outfits whenever there's a hairstyle available or if it's not a single piece so I can at least mix and match. If those were dyeable, I would certainly be more leaning to buy most of the Scion attires.

Thing is, probably, once they bend overly too much on those requests the players will start to feel entitled to push for more features - Aka, making more outfits unisex, any role armor should be able to be glamored/worn for any job, etc.

SE hardlining on a few things here to keep control in their hands, even if that means they won't profit from a iconic outfit as much as they would from a dyeable version.

[Avidria]

Thing is, probably, once they bend overly too much on those requests the players will start to feel entitled to push for more features - Aka, making more outfits unisex, any role armor should be able to be glamored/worn for any job, etc.

SE hardlining on a few things here to keep control in their hands, even if that means they won't profit from a iconic outfit as much as they would from a dyeable version.

People have already been asking for those things for years. Maybe I'm just cynical, but I find it extremely hard to imagine that them doing NPC outfits this way is anything other than a quick way to make money on absolute minimum effort.

[Padudu]

Thing is, probably, once they bend overly too much on those requests the players will start to feel entitled to push for more features - Aka, making more outfits unisex, any role armor should be able to be glamored/worn for any job, etc.

SE hardlining on a few things here to keep control in their hands, even if that means they won't profit from a iconic outfit as much as they would from a dyeable version.

People have already asked for that anyways regardless, SE implements changes based on player requests, so not sure why asking for non-onesie, dyable outfits will lead to such a slippery slope. Just cause something has always remained that way, doesn't mean it have to be. And I'm not quite sure why dyable outfits is the hardline they have to stop at lol. Dreamfitting, lottery is ok to implement since players asked for it, but dying NPC outfits? Nonono, SE has to double down on that!

[Corrupted]

I don't understand people who defend this, being able to dye those outfits opens up much more variety for glamour choices
Why would anyone NOT want that?

Having outfits segmented has the same impact if not more, they stand to lose nothing from this and everything to gain.
If anything, I'd think it's mostly laziness given how less & less gear variety we have for 81-89 with lots of repeat sets. Honestly, would be nice if they did something like the older artifact gear with pvp crystals, but on a much wider scale.