Bidding is a terrible bandaid. . .

[Basteala]

Lottery isn't the problem, supply is.

Honestly, at least with the lottery system if you lose you're only losing the house, not the hours upon hours camping the plot. I think anyone who seriously took a moment to think about the lottery knew that bids were going to have more competition because it wasn't as inconvenient or time consuming.

It still sucks, and I sympathize. That said, lottery I feel fixes other, secondary issues with the housing process...just not the main one that is the overwhelming supply and demand problem.

[Themarvin]

The lottery is the best system, if you disagree your motives lead towards that you want an advantage over clickers and console players by using bots or am involved in RMT... and that Real Estate is your mainfield of income.

Lottery + FC need to be 30 days old + an FC member can only inherit an FC if have been in it in 30 days, is one of the best things they dont all the time housing ever existed.

1. The Re-Seller need to make an FC that need to be 30 days old
2. The member who enters to buy it, need to be in it for another 30 days.
3. it takes 2 months to swap a house like that, and to make viable, then quite the amounts of active accounts is needed = whomever aim to do this will lose money and most of all time.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

This really confused me. . . how long do you need to place a bid on a house? How is it 3 days not enough? It literally takes me only 30minutes to look at what's available, roam around to check the biddings and make a decent comparison. You could spend longer(especially when there are tons of open plots) but let's say there's only one open plot. Do you really need five days to make time for yourself to go grab that plot? Just to take those 5mnutes to travel to said plot and put in your bid by clicking once on it?

Some people work 12+ hour days, they have travel time on top as well. They get home, they eat something and sort any responsibilities such as chores if they can and go to sleep to be ready for work the next morning.
5 days gives the time to bid on a day off and not have to log on on a day you are busy with other things. 5 days is not a long wait.

[Jojoya]

It was mentioned in one of the liveletters but suuuuure. I'll try to find it. x.x

If it had been mentioned in one of the Live Letters, it would have been included in the Live Letter digest. I went back through the last few digests and found nothing about more wards being added to every world.

I'm not ruling it that it might have been said in one of the interviews YoshiP might have given after a Live Letter since the translations of those to English don't always fully spread around the EN speaking community but it still seems odd to me that you're the only one talking about this. Adding 10 more wards would be huge news that the content creators who watch for info from JP interviews would have jumped on to share.

At this point we're relying on you to track down the source and share with us.

3. it takes 2 months to swap a house like that, and to make viable, then quite the amounts of active accounts is needed = whomever aim to do this will lose money and most of all time.

All it takes is 2 months plus $20 to buy the starter edition and another $30 dollars for two months of subscription (I know the starter ed comes with a free month but expect things to spill into a third month to finalize) but they're selling houses for $400 to $1300 according to the information shared in other threads,

I think it's fair to say no money is being lost. It's not a livable income if you're in a first world country (unless you're able to make multiple sales a month) but it's a nice amount as a supplemental income for most people. If you're in a third world country, $400 is enough to support a family for a couple of months.

Nor is time being lost in any considerable fashion. The time investment for a single player to start a FC, get to rank 6, get a house and find a buyer isn't two months of time - it's about a dozen hours of time. They still have the other 1400+ hours in those two months to do other things.

The amount of time lost is negligible - it's not like the world stands still until the buyer has the FC and house.

The lottery does not solve the housing RMT problem. RMT resales may be less frequent but they have not been stopped. SE still lacks any in-game methods of proving housing RMT is happening unless people get dumb and talk about doing a RMT transaction in game chat.

[Themarvin]

At this point we're relying on you to track down the source and share with us.


All it takes is 2 months plus $20 to buy the starter edition and another $30 dollars for two months of subscription (I know the starter ed comes with a free month but expect things to spill into a third month to finalize) but they're selling houses for $400 to $1300 according to the information shared in other threads,

I think it's fair to say no money is being lost. It's not a livable income if you're in a first world country (unless you're able to make multiple sales a month) but it's a nice amount as a supplemental income for most people. If you're in a third world country, $400 is enough to support a family for a couple of months.

Nor is time being lost in any considerable fashion. The time investment for a single player to start a FC, get to rank 6, get a house and find a buyer isn't two months of time - it's about a dozen hours of time. They still have the other 1400+ hours in those two months to do other things.

The amount of time lost is negligible - it's not like the world stands still until the buyer has the FC and house.

The lottery does not solve the housing RMT problem. RMT resales may be less frequent but they have not been stopped. SE still lacks any in-game methods of proving housing RMT is happening unless people get dumb and talk about doing a RMT transaction in game chat.

Would like to add in, it also make it easier for SE to spot weird behaviour, and then act upon the Terms of Service.

[Jojoya]

Would like to add in, it also make it easier for SE to spot weird behaviour, and then act upon the Terms of Service.

Sure. but will they?

We don't know that SE has set up anything to monitor whatever they would consider weird behavior for FCs and housing. Weird behavior can sometimes be exactly that and not a violation of ToS.

[dspguy]

"Housing causes more stress than fun"

I don't know. I thought clicking a placard for 12+ hours non-stop against mostly bots or legit players using illegit means to win was stressful. I place my bid for the plot I'd like when the lottery starts and don't think about for 5 days and come back and check. I find that "more fun" than the old system at least.

[Hoehenflug]

Do what I did, make an alt and make an fc on said alt. I am going through stormblood msq atm on the alt. It's been lovely doing msq again, super hyped to do shb and ew again, and I got an fc house to...

This you? Your post history consists to 50% of you saying that you won your mansion in the lottery. I don't take you seriously, sorry.

Basically you admit that spending either RL or IG cash to gain an advantage is fine for you and enabled by this system. It is NOT fair.

From your post history, you got another mansion during the relo period. I wonder how. :]

You are speaking from a place of privilege.

[Themarvin]

This you? Your post history consists to 50% of you saying that you won your mansion in the lottery. I don't take you seriously, sorry.

Basically you admit that spending either RL or IG cash to gain an advantage is fine for you and enabled by this system. It is NOT fair.

From your post history, you got another mansion during the relo period. I wonder how. :]

You are speaking from a place of privilege.

You need 40-50millions gil to buy a large, the pool of players having 5millions or below is very small..... and to many it is quite the investment to even buy a cottage.

[Hoehenflug]

You need 40-50millions gil to buy a large, the pool of players having 5millions or below is very small..... and to many it is quite the investment to even buy a cottage.

50m is nothing for most veterans, omnicrafters or anyone that is willing to farm for a while. The farm required pales to the old MMO grind.

Plus, there were at least 200 bidders on Zodiark for the 2 personal Larges. 198 that will NEVER get a Large on Zodiark alone.

If people talk about shell FCs, do you think they just put in 50m once? I think you are underestimating how much Gil, RL money, hacking and greyzoning has been floating around housing since forever basically.

I'd link a certain YT channel explaining this to you, but SE chose to disapprove, so I won't.

Our FC spent 722.5mill on all the bids to win the mansion we bid on. We won. Bigger FC wins the bigger house, makes sense to me. Other FC have known far in advance new housing was coming, you had the time to farm the money out and you didn't.

For my alt's FC I was prepared months in advance and had friends willing to loan some gil and also place an extra bid.

Enjoy.