What's even the point of doing savage?

[AnotherPerson]

Purpose of savage is:
1. To get better and finish challenges
2. To get glamour
3. To get achievements/ titles
4. To experience the content Normal mode cannot offer
5. To unlock Ultimate
6. To dominate the marketboards with rare item drops that can be used for crafting
7. To gear up your side jobs with those extra stats for next patch
8. To play with friends and kill them have a good time while laughing as you do content together

[GaspardSavoureuxx]

outside of..

Housing?
Mount collecting?
Minion Collecting?
Relic Weapons?
Acheivement Hunting?
Eureka?
Marketboard Domination?

The endgame is what you want it to be, Raiding is only a small fraction of the game.

What you list is not endgame content, you can do that while being lvl 70-80, maybe less and you don't even need the best gear for it.

Endgame content is what you can do with your best character at max level with the best gear in game. That's endgame content. What's the point of being ilvl 600 for housing or relic farming?

That's my point. YES, savage is fun (kind of, i dare you to do all the 4 actual savage in PF and tell me it's fun) but you're not rewarded with gear, like in every other MMO.
Even mount farming, for what? OK, your mount will be beautiful, but it will have THE EXACT SAME SPEED as the basic chocobo. Glam taken appart, what's the point then?

So, the only endgame in FF14 is the glam, farming for glam, learning mecha for glam, and killing hard content for glam, i got it.

FF14 is fun, some thing are hard AF, but it's for glam. Ok i get it now people, thanks

[GaspardSavoureuxx]

Purpose of savage is:
1. To get better and finish challenges
2. To get glamour
3. To get achievements/ titles
4. To experience the content Normal mode cannot offer
5. To unlock Ultimate
6. To dominate the marketboards with rare item drops that can be used for crafting
7. To gear up your side jobs with those extra stats for next patch
8. To play with friends and kill them have a good time while laughing as you do content together

To be fair, any of what you list seems attractive to me.

Especially the "to get better", for what? Rolling on sastasha or crystal tower in roulette?

The only thing that can attract me is 4. To experience the content Normal mode cannot offer. But it's just the same thing, way harder without any good loot (for my taste)

I'll never put a toe in ultimate, never. What for? Spending month of learning pattern and dying again and again just for a title and a shiny weapon (not even better (ilvl) than the savage one) No thanks.

[Absurdity]

It's a question that has been asked regularly here, what is the point of getting BiS gear from savage when said gear is entirely useless by the time you have it? And in that case you're kind of correct.

Once you've finished savage and got your BiS there are basically only 2 things to use those better stats for, Ultimate and parse runs for a higher number on a 3rd party site (and associated bragging rights I guess).
Now if you're doing neither of those there really is no point to getting the best gear in the game. What are you gonna do with it, run extremely easy dungeons faster?

And by the time the next raid tier rolls around you're gonna replace your BiS gear with full crafted gear anyway, because it's flat out better.

[Henji]

Ucob is pretty easy.

You can apparently clear UwU by killing your teammates on purpose (some stream highlight), so I'd assume this one is on the easy side too. (never tried this fight)

Ucob is pretty easy compared to tea and DSR. It's not easy in a vacuum.
Why do I feel like you're referring to the "cya wow gamers" clip where they wiped seconds later because they were missing a healer?

[GaspardSavoureuxx]

It's a question that has been asked regularly here, what is the point of getting BiS gear from savage when said gear is entirely useless by the time you have it? And in that case you're kind of correct.

Once you've finished savage and got your BiS there are basically only 2 things to use those better stats for, Ultimate and parse runs for a higher number on a 3rd party site (and associated bragging rights I guess).
Now if you're doing neither of those there really is no point to getting the best gear in the game. What are you gonna do with it, run extremely easy dungeons faster?

And by the time the next raid tier rolls around you're gonna replace your BiS gear with full crafted gear anyway, because it's flat out better.

The problem is parsing are not allowed, and ultimate is useless for me because it gave you nothing except a title and a skin.

So, yeah, the glam...

[Kolsykol]

FFXIV have increase player because 1/ it's a free trial for like 100hours and more and 2/ people come on expansion, farm it for 3-4 weeks, and then leave for month to wait for the next expansion. Lots of people does that.
In warhammer online, you always had something to do in endgame and you never ran out of endgame content like in here. There were countless of hours to do in endgame, without any expansion. But there were no glam, so i guess nowaday people play MMO for glam

As I said, it has increased with every expansion even back when the trial didn't exist.
Maybe EW is the peak maybe it's not, who knows.
Regardless of that I am sure people will be crying about the game '' dying '' ESPECIALLY if they're already doing it and have been doing it with every new expansion even tho the game was growing in players.

The same can be said about WoW too tbh, infinite growth doesn't exist games are going to hit a peak and then go down.
There's other factors that makes it more significant in WoW but much the same even it's essentially a meme at this point that people have been saying the game is '' dying '' since day 1 even way back in Vanilla the narrative was the same.
In FFXIV there's also a lot of '' seasonal players '' much like in a game like Path of Exile where people come back and play the new patch for story content then stick around a bit and take a break.
Nothing wrong with that either.
But FFXIV has become more successful with each expansion thus far.

The problem is parsing are not allowed, and ultimate is useless for me because it gave you nothing except a title and a skin.

So, yeah, the glam...

Why would gear be important for you if you're not interested in doing harder content tho?
Imo gear not being as big of a deal ( but still a big deal ) is a nice thing about FFXIV, that's a matter of taste tho but I find that gear being the be all end all tends to result in a lot more toxicity and frustration.

Parsing isn't officially endorsed but people do it, there's log runs being openly advertised in PF and no action is taken against them.
The devs don't like it and don't endorse it but it's pretty clear that they accept that it exists unless you harass people with it or otherwise make a big deal out of it.

[LianaThorne]

Endgame content is what you can do with your best character at max level with the best gear in game. That's endgame content. What's the point of being ilvl 600 for housing or relic farming?

End game is limited at the moment because we literally are only in 6.1x. We have a lot more patches to go that will have more content added to it. FF is not the type to drown you in content all at once, it's spaced out so people of all playstyles can keep up and not feel rushed to complete it. Once you've gotten your gear on your main job to the point that you want it, you have a few options:

1) Do harder content such as current tier savage or any of the ultimates.
2) Level alt jobs and gear them up (since, at this point, if you aren't doing harder content you're just gearing up for 7.0 content/the new relic grind coming in)
3) Do old content such as relic grinds and achievement hunting for titles and other rewards (such as mounts)
4) Cancel your sub until new content comes in

It's not "just glam", you've been given plenty of other options for what to do and it just doesn't seem to fit what you're looking for. Which is fine, just might be time to do something else for now until new content rolls in. If you don't see a point to it, no amount of us explaining options to you will change anything.

I do find it kind of head tilting though that you find learning a fight for a month straight for a weapon pointless but you're literally doing that same thing already in savage. You do know Augmented Radiant's gear (tome gear that can be augmented with the drop from Aglaia) is ilvl 600 too...right?

[GaspardSavoureuxx]

End game is limited at the moment because we literally are only in 6.1x. We have a lot more patches to go that will have more content added to it. FF is not the type to drown you in content all at once, it's spaced out so people of all playstyles can keep up and not feel rushed to complete it. Once you've gotten your gear on your main job to the point that you want it, you have a few options:

1) Do harder content such as current tier savage or any of the ultimates.
2) Level alt jobs and gear them up (since, at this point, if you aren't doing harder content you're just gearing up for 7.0 content/the new relic grind coming in)
3) Do old content such as relic grinds and achievement hunting for titles and other rewards (such as mounts)
4) Cancel your sub until new content comes in

It's not "just glam", you've been given plenty of other options for what to do and it just doesn't seem to fit what you're looking for. Which is fine, just might be time to do something else for now until new content rolls in. If you don't see a point to it, no amount of us explaining options to you will change anything.

I do find it kind of head tilting though that you find learning a fight for a month straight for a weapon pointless but you're literally doing that same thing already in savage. You do know Augmented Radiant's gear (tome gear that can be augmented with the drop from Aglaia) is ilvl 600 too...right?

Yep, my BIS is a mix of memo stuff and raid stuff. I did savage because 1/ It's the only combat related endgame, the only thing with ultimate, there's nothing else to do combat related endgame. And 2/ i wanted better stuff and a 605 weapon.
After due consideration, what for? Ilvl means nothing because there is no endgame. FF14 is a MMORPG mixed with animal crossing.
You do super hard stuff to loot a shiny weapon, and you afk in limsa showing that weapon to everyone.

Or even better, you play music afk in limsa, that's the real endgame

You seems to not understand what i said. Everything you just said as an example (except savage/ultimate) is not endgame related, it's just base game related.

There is not really endgame content in ff14 and it's too bad cause it's a good game. You can tell me all you want savage/ultimate is the endgame but if you do that for the gear, and can do nothing more with this gear after, it's just useless.

The only "endgame" you advice me is farming glam "relic" which is a pain (farming with my ilvl 597 warrior doing lvl 34 fate synchronized is a pain) or cancel my sub.

So maybe the devs should look after releasing something for endgame maybe (something useful, not just a shiny glam)? or at least, let us use our savage/ultimate gear in pvp with our pve skills...

[Nanne]

So maybe the devs should look after releasing something for endgame maybe? or at least, let us use our savage/ultimate gear in pvp with our pve skills...

We had that before and nobody was interested in it