What's even the point of doing savage?

[GaspardSavoureuxx]

outside of..

Housing?
Mount collecting?
Minion Collecting?
Relic Weapons?
Acheivement Hunting?
Eureka?
Marketboard Domination?

The endgame is what you want it to be, Raiding is only a small fraction of the game.

What you list is not endgame content, you can do that while being lvl 70-80, maybe less and you don't even need the best gear for it.

Endgame content is what you can do with your best character at max level with the best gear in game. That's endgame content. What's the point of being ilvl 600 for housing or relic farming?

That's my point. YES, savage is fun (kind of, i dare you to do all the 4 actual savage in PF and tell me it's fun) but you're not rewarded with gear, like in every other MMO.
Even mount farming, for what? OK, your mount will be beautiful, but it will have THE EXACT SAME SPEED as the basic chocobo. Glam taken appart, what's the point then?

So, the only endgame in FF14 is the glam, farming for glam, learning mecha for glam, and killing hard content for glam, i got it.

FF14 is fun, some thing are hard AF, but it's for glam. Ok i get it now people, thanks

[LianaThorne]

Endgame content is what you can do with your best character at max level with the best gear in game. That's endgame content. What's the point of being ilvl 600 for housing or relic farming?

End game is limited at the moment because we literally are only in 6.1x. We have a lot more patches to go that will have more content added to it. FF is not the type to drown you in content all at once, it's spaced out so people of all playstyles can keep up and not feel rushed to complete it. Once you've gotten your gear on your main job to the point that you want it, you have a few options:

1) Do harder content such as current tier savage or any of the ultimates.
2) Level alt jobs and gear them up (since, at this point, if you aren't doing harder content you're just gearing up for 7.0 content/the new relic grind coming in)
3) Do old content such as relic grinds and achievement hunting for titles and other rewards (such as mounts)
4) Cancel your sub until new content comes in

It's not "just glam", you've been given plenty of other options for what to do and it just doesn't seem to fit what you're looking for. Which is fine, just might be time to do something else for now until new content rolls in. If you don't see a point to it, no amount of us explaining options to you will change anything.

I do find it kind of head tilting though that you find learning a fight for a month straight for a weapon pointless but you're literally doing that same thing already in savage. You do know Augmented Radiant's gear (tome gear that can be augmented with the drop from Aglaia) is ilvl 600 too...right?

[GaspardSavoureuxx]

End game is limited at the moment because we literally are only in 6.1x. We have a lot more patches to go that will have more content added to it. FF is not the type to drown you in content all at once, it's spaced out so people of all playstyles can keep up and not feel rushed to complete it. Once you've gotten your gear on your main job to the point that you want it, you have a few options:

1) Do harder content such as current tier savage or any of the ultimates.
2) Level alt jobs and gear them up (since, at this point, if you aren't doing harder content you're just gearing up for 7.0 content/the new relic grind coming in)
3) Do old content such as relic grinds and achievement hunting for titles and other rewards (such as mounts)
4) Cancel your sub until new content comes in

It's not "just glam", you've been given plenty of other options for what to do and it just doesn't seem to fit what you're looking for. Which is fine, just might be time to do something else for now until new content rolls in. If you don't see a point to it, no amount of us explaining options to you will change anything.

I do find it kind of head tilting though that you find learning a fight for a month straight for a weapon pointless but you're literally doing that same thing already in savage. You do know Augmented Radiant's gear (tome gear that can be augmented with the drop from Aglaia) is ilvl 600 too...right?

Yep, my BIS is a mix of memo stuff and raid stuff. I did savage because 1/ It's the only combat related endgame, the only thing with ultimate, there's nothing else to do combat related endgame. And 2/ i wanted better stuff and a 605 weapon.
After due consideration, what for? Ilvl means nothing because there is no endgame. FF14 is a MMORPG mixed with animal crossing.
You do super hard stuff to loot a shiny weapon, and you afk in limsa showing that weapon to everyone.

Or even better, you play music afk in limsa, that's the real endgame

You seems to not understand what i said. Everything you just said as an example (except savage/ultimate) is not endgame related, it's just base game related.

There is not really endgame content in ff14 and it's too bad cause it's a good game. You can tell me all you want savage/ultimate is the endgame but if you do that for the gear, and can do nothing more with this gear after, it's just useless.

The only "endgame" you advice me is farming glam "relic" which is a pain (farming with my ilvl 597 warrior doing lvl 34 fate synchronized is a pain) or cancel my sub.

So maybe the devs should look after releasing something for endgame maybe (something useful, not just a shiny glam)? or at least, let us use our savage/ultimate gear in pvp with our pve skills...

[Nanne]

So maybe the devs should look after releasing something for endgame maybe? or at least, let us use our savage/ultimate gear in pvp with our pve skills...

We had that before and nobody was interested in it

[GaspardSavoureuxx]

We had that before and nobody was interested in it

I understand though. It seems that some people on the game are very sensitive.

The game is not enough strict to "endgame" content. You can go on P1S and make your group wipe over and over again because you're supposed to do 7-8k damage and you just did 2k. (even if you're not suppose to know the damage of people...)
So you've seen enrage multiple times and people on the group wipe because of your lack of interest in your rotation. (i'm not talking about you it's an example).

To make savage interesting, make the boss dummy mandatory before doing the boss in question. If you can't beat the dummy of P1S, you can't access the raid.

PF would be so much better if this was apply in game...

And that could make endgame better cause i could go on PF and do blind savage with a group with people who can push their button properly.

I've seen endsinger enrage 14x times in PF with the best run at 15% health remaining...

[Absurdity]

I understand though. It seems that some people on the game are very sensitive.

The game is not enough strict to "endgame" content. You can go on P1S and make your group wipe over and over again because you're supposed to do 7-8k damage and you just did 2k. (even if you're not suppose to know the damage of people...)
So you seen enrage multiple times and people on the group wipe because of your lack of interest in your rotation. (i'm not talking about you it's an example).

To make savage interesting, make the boss dummy mandatory before doing the boss in question. If you can't beat the dummy of P1S, you can't access the raid.

PF would be so much better if this was apply in game...

And that could make endgame better cause i could go on PF and do blind savage with a group with people who can push their button properly.

That's unfortunately the problem with having no gradual increase in difficulty. People do the MSQ which has 0 challenge, do some max level dungeons which also have 0 challenge and then jump into savage where they run into the brick wall that is the 90° jump in difficulty, because nothing they did before prepared them for it.

But there's an easy fix for it, just leave. If you notice that your party's DPS in PF is so bad that you have no hope of beating enrage, or that they show no signs of learning the fight, just leave and try again with a different one. You're usually not in party finder to make friends, you're there to progress the content.

[GaspardSavoureuxx]

That's unfortunately the problem with having no gradual increase in difficulty. People do the MSQ which has 0 challenge, do some max level dungeons which also have 0 challenge and then jump into savage where they run into the brick wall that is the 90° increase in difficulty, because nothing they did before prepared them for it.

But there's an easy fix for it, just leave. If you notice that your party's DPS in PF is so bad that you have no hope of beating enrage, or that they show no signs of learning the fight, just leave and try again with a different one. You're usually not in party finder to make friends, you're there to progress the content.

Yep, i tried, but trust me, finding blind group for P1S is impossible to find. All the one i've seen is "training" with people who can't push their buttons, or "already finished" weekly reclear. So if i was not able to find a fix roster, i would have been doomed...

[Bookie]

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