Why IS the savage lockout system the way it is?

[LianaThorne]

Predatory "Fear of Missing Out" design to keep you subbed.

People will defend it, say its always been that way so its fine, but thats the truth. Its like that so you can't rush to BiS, so they can make more sub money.

Half correct.

It's so that people don't blow through the new content within the first couple of weeks and cry later that there's nothing else to do. Its meant to stretch the content, I doubt the majority of people base their sub on savage gear alone. I'd apply the word predatory to the housing system we have though.

[Oizen]

Half correct.

It's so that people don't blow through the new content within the first couple of weeks and cry later that there's nothing else to do. Its meant to stretch the content, I doubt the majority of people base their sub on savage gear alone. I'd apply the word predatory to the housing system we have though.

Is it really "new content" when you're running the same fight, over and over and over and over?

People who really care about this content rushed through it in a month or so and ran out of things to do a while back.

[LianaThorne]

Is it really "new content" when you're running the same fight, over and over and over and over?

People who really care about this content rushed through it in a month or so and ran out of things to do a while back.

Yes, because not everyone raids Day 1. Some people did other content first and are just getting into Savage now, as I see new statics still being formed daily on the PF. If you choose to rush through it the first week or two for the flex or bragging rights, that's your choice. It's not one for everyone though.

For the record, I started first week but had to take a month off the game. I'm happy this system is still in place because I still have a chance to get my drops before the next tier drops and not feel rushed.

[Colt47]

Is it really "new content" when you're running the same fight, over and over and over and over?

People who really care about this content rushed through it in a month or so and ran out of things to do a while back.

Thing is that's speculation rather than an actual answer from the FFXIV team. The only thing that we can comment on our end about it is the effect the system has on how we play the game. The system causes a lot of social problems among players that doesn't seem to get talked about much. It can and has forced people to choose between playing with friends and playing with those that are more about completing the content, and the system also negatively impacts the quality of life being provided by the party finder tools. It definitely feels like the devs haven't given it much thought if they haven't even bothered to talk about it.

[Oizen]

Thing is that's speculation rather than an actual answer from the FFXIV team. The only thing that we can comment on our end about it is the effect the system has on how we play the game. The system causes a lot of social problems among players that doesn't seem to get talked about much. It can and has forced people to choose between playing with friends and playing with those that are more about completing the content, and the system also negatively impacts the quality of life being provided by the party finder tools. It definitely feels like the devs haven't given it much thought if they haven't even bothered to talk about it.

Do you honestly, truly expect the developers of this game to say "yeah this is in the game to eat up your subscription time"

[Amenara]

Half correct.

It's so that people don't blow through the new content within the first couple of weeks and cry later that there's nothing else to do. Its meant to stretch the content, I doubt the majority of people base their sub on savage gear alone. I'd apply the word predatory to the housing system we have though.

I think it's hard to say you blow through it in a couple weeks when the game effectively forces you to clear for potentially 7-8 weeks to get BiS on one job. I think honestly the loot should be role locked instead of character locked so you have the option to run it multiple times a week on multiple roles so you can gear up more than one role, especially in a game where they encourage you to play multiple jobs. Though my opinion doesn't mean much as I don't have the time/will to PF savage anymore.

[Liam_Harper]

I think it's hard to say you blow through it in a couple weeks when the game effectively forces you to clear for potentially 7-8 weeks to get BiS on one job. I think honestly the loot should be role locked instead of character locked so you have the option to run it multiple times a week on multiple roles so you can gear up more than one role, especially in a game where they encourage you to play multiple jobs.

Absolutely this.

It's ridiculous that a game where you can play every job on one character does a u-turn at endgame and limits you to one BiS job per 2 months. It doesn't stretch the content or prevent burnout, it causes burn out because you might want to try an alt job in Savage but just can't face waiting 2 months for decent gear and decide it's not worth the hassle.

It's also strange to refuse to stretch out content in most areas of the game except a tiny handful of activities like Savage or 500 hour long grinds for achievements. Most players don't even do Savage so it only applies to a small fraction of the player base anyway. It doesn't really make sense.

Basically I'd be fine with 8 weeks on average for BiS, but not per job. The raid tier is dead and the next one on the way before you even get through 3 jobs.

[Deveryn]

Absolutely this.

It's ridiculous that a game where you can play every job on one character does a u-turn at endgame and limits you to one BiS job per 2 months. It doesn't stretch the content or prevent burnout, it causes burn out because you might want to try an alt job in Savage but just can't face waiting 2 months for decent gear and decide it's not worth the hassle.

It's also strange to refuse to stretch out content in most areas of the game except a tiny handful of activities like Savage or 500 hour long grinds for achievements. Most players don't even do Savage so it only applies to a small fraction of the player base anyway. It doesn't really make sense.

Basically I'd be fine with 8 weeks on average for BiS, but not per job. The raid tier is dead and the next one on the way before you even get through 3 jobs.

If anything doesn't make sense it's this supposed need to change things up partway through, which would be potentially disruptive in a static situation. Savage is no place to be flip flopping. You should know what you really want to do by the time you get there. If you still don't know, wait and figure it out.

[ZedxKayn]

If anything doesn't make sense it's this supposed need to change things up partway through, which would be potentially disruptive in a static situation. Savage is no place to be flip flopping. You should know what you really want to do by the time you get there. If you still don't know, wait and figure it out.

In my static nearly every one would be down to flex their role if someone wanted to reclear on a different job, but no one did that because we didn't have the gear. Variety in jobs keeps the fights interesting for a longer period of time. 2 months on the same job is incredibly boring. People can want to do different stuff in a video game depending on the day and their mood and it's very silly that XIV suddenly doesn't enable that when it comes to gearing. It also applies for ultimate, a fair amount of ultimate raiders are perfectly capable on clearing the fights on more than one role, a significant amount of legends I know actually have done it.

[Awful]

I think it's hard to say you blow through it in a couple weeks when the game effectively forces you to clear for potentially 7-8 weeks to get BiS on one job. I think honestly the loot should be role locked instead of character locked so you have the option to run it multiple times a week on multiple roles so you can gear up more than one role, especially in a game where they encourage you to play multiple jobs. Though my opinion doesn't mean much as I don't have the time/will to PF savage anymore.

100% this, it sucks you have to wait 8 weeks minimum to get BiS and that's not even counting the Tomestone cap every week at 450, we're at what week...idk 20 somethin? Why can't the Tomestone cap be 900 since the new raid tier is coming out in Summer? It sucks waiting 8 weeks on an alt job when your main job is BiS to try Savage when you also have to consider buying big ticket items like pants that are 825 tomes that also take a minimum of 2 weeks to cap, why can't we just cap it at 900?

I'm fine with the 450 tomes within the first 3-4 months of a raid tier, that's fine, it's the later part where the raid tiers out and people want to catch up or get BiS on alt jobs you can't because you have to hurry up and wait, there's so many jobs that need so much Radiant gear it'd make your head spin, add the role lock option and make tomestones go up to 900 months after raid release.