*Spoilers* Anyone feel joining Emet would have been better

[KizuyaKatogami]

Hythlodaeus said he was going to look into the memory erasure, but as we know based on how history proceeded, this resulted in no significant outcome. Emet-Selch himself said he did not care and did not see the value in looking into that memory erasure, and also given how history proceeded, we can assume that either he had no success, or he meant what he said and completely dismissed it.

Emet-Selch and Venat were on terms that could be considered "friendly", but Emet-Selch, as we see in Elpis, did not wish to engage further with Venat than he truly had to. He tolerates Venat's oddities, and apparently tolerates Azem's oddities just as much if not more, but without any prompting, he would just as well ignore Venat's existence. Consider that this is Emet-Selch's very first visit to Elpis, such that he required a guide in Hythlodaeus. Meanwhile, Venat is living in Elpis, even if she commutes to wherever she wants to go. This does not seem like enough of a link to the current Convocation to use as backing to accuse another member of the Convocation, especially given Emet-Selch was the one to recruit Hermes as Fandaniel in the first place, while ignoring his memory erasure.

My point about Hythlodaeus’ comment was that they knew they were mind wiped, so all it would take is her going hey, i have the memories of how you got mind wiped. They aren’t so stupid as to believe “oh yeah you’re lying even though that makes logical sense and we have the missing memories to prove it and connect it.” Idk if it’s people purposely trying to underplay the ancients and their smarts/knowledge or what but…geez.I mean theres literally ancients there that can attest to seeing us going inside Ktisis etc.

[Tehmon]

My point about Hythlodaeus’ comment was that they knew they were mind wiped, so all it would take is her going hey, i have the memories of how you got mind wiped. They aren’t so stupid as to believe “oh yeah you’re lying even though that makes logical sense and we have the missing memories to prove it and connect it.” Idk if it’s people purposely trying to underplay the ancients and their smarts/knowledge or what but…geez.I mean theres literally ancients there that can attest to seeing us going inside Ktisis etc.

The story does a piss poor job of framing ancients as a super intelligent race, if Emet's '' sundering also affected your intelligence '' is not a cope, but reality. But if the ancients are this super intelligent race of people as Emet claims they are, then the same can be said about Venat, and that the innate superb intelligence of ancients must've also affected Venat's decision in regards to how she treats the information she has.

[YianKutku]

My point about Hythlodaeus’ comment was that they knew they were mind wiped, so all it would take is her going hey, i have the memories of how you got mind wiped. They aren’t so stupid as to believe “oh yeah you’re lying even though that makes logical sense and we have the missing memories to prove it and connect it.” Idk if it’s people purposely trying to underplay the ancients and their smarts/knowledge or what but…geez.I mean theres literally ancients there that can attest to seeing us going inside Ktisis etc.

Hythlodaeus said he would possibly go ask Venat about the "strange person" who went in with them, while Emet-Selch is completely dismissive of the whole thing and refuses to even spend time thinking about it. And in that situation, Emet-Selch is the ranking Ancient, and Hermes would soon also be a Convocation member and thus outrank Hythlodaeus and Venat.

Note that at no point did Hythlodaeus even consider asking the Ancients on scene about our presence, or Meteion, or whatever might have caused the "malfunction" of Kairos. Which is understandable, because it's not his job to do so. It's Emet-Selch's job, and he clearly washed his hands of the matter. This seems like it would be a reinforcement of Venat's belief that Emet-Selch, and the Convocation, would not believe what she said. And given how the Hythlodaeus on the Moon did not recognize us (except for our soul resembling Azem), I would assume he never got around to asking Venat about us either.

I do actually think the Ancients have certain biases that hinder their intelligence. They're all portrayed quite consistently as being very smart, but only in their specific field of work. For everything else, they appear to be strangely incurious: I'm reminded of the "brain-attic" theory from the Sherlock Holmes stories, and I believe we all agree that Holmes is certainly very smart. But if it's not relevant to their work, they don't care enough to look into it. There may be exceptions to this lack of curiosity, but apart from characters like Venat and Themis, we don't meet them in our time in Elpis. (Maybe there's a FATE NPC in Elpis somewhere?)