Decrease the demand for houses with taxes

[AngeliouxRein]

Personally, I think if they got rid of workshops, gardening and added those in as a feature to island sanctuary, it could cut down on the demand of houses quite a bit. A tax system is not going to do anything except encourage people to find a new way to amass more gill, through cheats or a legit way (or a combination of both). In every game that I've played, including this one, it's only ever been a small percent of the player base that even cares about owning a house. The only real problem, I think, is just that people can make some serious gil with workshops and gardening. Anything that can make a lot of gil is always met with bots/RMT peeps flooding said content in response and if they just nuke that in the bud, would solve so many problems. But, eh, here we are...

[Shibi]

How is it a punishmen to pay for maintaince of your property?

One has to consider the new benchmark "they work and have kids and can only play once a week" person. This is the same person held up by multiple people as a prime reason for lottery being a good idea, and for the 5 day window on lottery also being desirable over a shorter one.

This one day a week person will never be able to afford to pay the gil taxes, because in their one single hour a week they won't be able to earn the required 100,000 gil required weekly to maintain their small plot.

(based on the OP's 10% per month)

[Liam_Harper]

I can't see the benefit besides locking newer players out of housing and promoting RMT.

When a new player finally earns enough to buy a house after hours of trying to sell items on the mb, they want to relax, enjoy decorating their new purchase and spend the rest of their gil buying nice furniture for it. It's not enjoyable gameplay to have part of your gil cut off and have an additional chore of earning a set sum every month.

The obvious "solution" would end up being RMT. Many players would do it, they'd even justify it in their heads that it's SE's fault for their bad system. RMT sellers would have a rush of customers and botting would become even more rampant.

It also has zero effect on veteran players who hoarded a nice pile of gil back before crafting was ruined. We could pay tax on a mansion we barely use for 10 years without making too much of a dent on our wealth. It's just a bad idea all round.

[Absimiliard]

I'm going to start invading neighboring properties in search of oil WMDs if they begin taxing us.

[Gemina]

The never ending battle of trying to hurt others to get a house. Sure the OP isn't poor but some have to struggle to get the gil to buy one and furnish one. SE needs to address the problem by adding enough housing for everyone. Instanced alongside wards is what would be optimal in my view.

This has to be let go. That's not to be dismissive of the mindset, but let's say SE finds a way to pull this gigantic rabbit out of a very tiny hat, what then? What happens to all of the current housing? Do you think all that property will just vanish? Many houses out there are works of art with thousands upon thousands of hours put into them. They can't just erase that. So do current property owners get to take part in in the instanced housing? If not, is that fair? If they can, is that fair? If current housing remains along with the instanced, does it really take away or even reduce the demand for current housing? Based off of previous and current methods to handle situations like that, do you think it will be handled in a way that is fair for everyone? Or do you think it would be another clusterfork of issues that blows up in their faces, and these forums?

Those are the kind of things that really need to be taken into mind instead of just regurgitating a proposed solution that ignores pragmatism. What I like about this thread, and the idea of property tax is it's going outside the box to address the issue, and has got people to approach the housing ordeal from a different angle and scratching their heads a bit.

Unfortunately the idea falls short. Taxation doesn't decrease the demand for housing, it decreases a player's/FC's ability to buy and maintain ownership of a home. The demand is still there. But now, along with a bunch of pissed off players who can't get a house, the property owners are now pissed off too because they will feel like they are being punished for SEs own shortcomings.

Taxation of property has no benefit other than to remove gil from circulation, or hoarding. That is really the only reason to implement it, and if they did do this; it could be the only reason mentioned as to why they are doing it. It is certainly more favorable than price gouging mounts, which does not affect players who don't care to have them, or hoard gil; or increasing teleportation costs, which affect everyone, even players who don't have a lot of gil. It most certainly is not a solution to fixing the housing issue.

[Saimeren]

Or, you know; make more plots/wards.

[Jillian]

We have this situation here in which everybody wants a mansion but there are just not enough of them to go around. Too many of players can afford it and so they feel obliged to get the mansion because there are no drawbacks of owning one. Demolitions help with the issue, but not enough so - introduce property taxes.

For example: Let's start with 10% of plot cost per month.

Large enough upkeep would make players more content with smaller houses or motivate them to join friends/free companies to share the load among members. Also players would be more likely to just let the houses they don't use much go to save on gil. The housing zones would be used more actively and more players would be able to touch the housing.

It wouldn't be a popular change but it has its benefits.

Don't feel like reading through the entire topic so... No, this is a terrible, awful, horrible idea. Stop trying to punish players for SE's crappy housing system.

[Coletergeist]

Especially as another player has pointed out. There are people who are sitting on enough gil where this wouldn't bother them

Yeah this. I know folks who are as you said, only have like 2-3 mil and can never make more than that, and then there's the folks I know that have a shit ton of gil they don't even know what to do with it.

For the folks that are loaded, this will do next to absolutely nothing while poor folks will be the only ones suffering.

House taxes won't do shit.

[LaylaTsarra]

Yeah this. I know folks who are as you said, only have like 2-3 mil and can never make more than that, and then there's the folks I know that have a shit ton of gil they don't even know what to do with it.

For the folks that are loaded, this will do next to absolutely nothing while poor folks will be the only ones suffering.

House taxes won't do shit.

I stopped selling seriously back in 4.2 and this tax wouldn't hurt me in the least and i own multiple homes on different servers. It's unfair to people who skimp to get one and then having to pay a maintenance fee on top of it. I doubt SE would ever entertain the idea but then again many of us never expected a lottery.

[Dyvid]

Add crossbreeding gardening in Apartments.