Players have ruined deep dungeon for people who want chests

[TaleraRistain]

Unless the portal is right beside your starting room and one person goes off to Narnia through a string of rooms trying to hunt for a silver that doesn't even exist. Your example is expecting that everyone makes a concerted effort, when that's just not going to happen in many 51-60 runs.
Maybe twice as long isn't accurate but the point is that your rate of acquiring silver chests is the same whether you speed through for exp or hunt in every corner. You'll uncover a good few chests trying to unfog the portal room and it's fine to pick up the ones you see, but there's no point going out of your way for them or demanding your group do so.

I'll agree the system is bad though, for the reason that putting multiple conflicting goals in one instance just creates arguments. It could be improved. But blaming other players for leveling or demanding a minimum time before you're allowed to gain experience is pure nonsense.

I ran it for 8 hours on Saturday and nobody had an issue when someone replied to me my question about wanting to clear for silvers. We often split up so we could quickly peek into rooms. The only time you might see parties hesitate (at least on my DC) is if we've gone through a couple rooms and there are still more and we don't have a pomander to reveal the map. That one random map room here and there on a big map we'll choose to ignore. But it's really not any time spent to just peek and run off if nothing is there. Even if something attacks because it's close to the door, can just drag it to the portal. Saying something is going to take twice the time is going to turn people off trying and make them resentful of those who do. But saying it's just a couple extra minutes and most are okay with it.

I don't agree with the minimum time but I think players who use POTD for the secondary intention of leveling instead of the original main intention of getting the exclusive rewards don't keep in mind those who want to do the content for those exclusive rewards. Now, I think this is something the devs need to fix. The best fix will probably be to increase the boost from a single chest and make every chest a guaranteed skill up. Then someone needing stat boosts could still gain progress on super speed runs and would gain significant progress when they can search out and acquire more. POTD (and HoH but let's be real, who really wants those) has been out long enough that there's little reason they can't make those weapons easier to acquire.

[IkaraGreydancer]

Would the content be more enticing or would there be more content if we rp walked through the same expert dungeon every day? Or if we did that in potd? looking at the walls and backgrounds? You do that once and then your like ... "okay i did that".

Forcing the player into things they have to potentially run 100s of times can only end in them choosing the path of least resistance and max out effort and value vs time.

This is such a non issue, running 50-60 gives you plenty buffs to your weapon/armor to get all glamour weapons. The only possible way you can run into a problem with this is if you wanted to do a necromancer run and you never did a 200 run before, and how many players would even attempt that?

You will eventually have 70/70 from just spamming 50-60 which even if you wanted to do a 200 run with a static is plenty as you will be 99/99 by the time you need to be.

This happened before on a larger scale in DR in which the players started to filter out those who were not willing to put effort in to get the duty done fast and the result was runs that took 12-15min in pre mades and those that took 40-50min in df.

Never said people have to rp walk through content. And please dont be disingenuous as claim you're "forced" into doing content. No one is forcing you to do anything. Choice or not speed or bust is the common mentality with xiv.
Need proof? Go and find threads about tanks and their pulling. Or maybe the fact most players were running Bozja for leveling in EW due to it being the fastest way to level in game atm. The dev team opted to boost exp from dungeons.
It's honesty refreshing to see stuff like all healer or all tank Agalia run (may have said that wrong don't @ me). But in the grand scheme im willing to bet Criterion Dungeons and the new Deep Dungeon will end up speed fests like everything else

[Renalt]

I'm all for taking the time to get chests and what not until the moment you no longer get levels for mobs. From 50 on up you probably should have a good enough weapon level to just progress through the level because beating the boss at the end will always net you some anyway. Most people are blowing through them to level other classes easily.

[Akimori]

Go for chests anyway as well as the hoard or whatever. If they kick you, report them. You're not breaking any rules, they are. I have reported people in the past just for threatening to kick me during deep dungeons and would e-stalk their twitter by just googling their IGN and would find them complaining about being reported and how supposedly innocent they were.

Jerks, the whole lot of them. Don't tolerate them, don't reply. Silently report and move on. They'll learn it the hard way. You are doing nothing wrong as long as you're not intentionally slowing them down or trying to cause them to fail.

NGL, when the group doesn't go after the chests and you are, you are *literally* slowing them down.... Also the reporting of them because they want to remove you from the party because they dont want to get the chests and you're slowing down a run chasing after chests is kinda.....an abuse of the system.

[Driavna]

Random parties are going to be random. If majority want to do X all you can do is adapt or make your own party, FFXIV is an MMO after all and POTD just require 3 other players of whatever class so should be easy.

[Nyxs]

Go for chests anyway as well as the hoard or whatever. If they kick you, report them. You're not breaking any rules, they are. I have reported people in the past just for threatening to kick me during deep dungeons and would e-stalk their twitter by just googling their IGN and would find them complaining about being reported and how supposedly innocent they were.

Jerks, the whole lot of them. Don't tolerate them, don't reply. Silently report and move on. They'll learn it the hard way. You are doing nothing wrong as long as you're not intentionally slowing them down or trying to cause them to fail.

Lol fearmongering. They are 100% allowed to kick you for difference of playstyle if they are wanting to continue and you decide to wander the whole map while they are at the exit..Also reporting for no reason isnt going to go well for people so I suggest they dont.

[Absimiliard]

Lol fearmongering. They are 100% allowed to kick you for difference of playstyle if they are wanting to continue and you decide to wander the whole map while they are at the exit..Also reporting for no reason isnt going to go well for people so I suggest they dont.

I uh... wouldn't be so sure of that. They've been cracking down pretty hard on people for "abusing" the kick function as of late. Apparently kicking people for underperforming and/or not sticking with the group can now be considered abuse. Do it if you want, but don't be surprised if you end up gaoled after doing it one too many times.

[Voidedge_Ragna]

Never said people have to rp walk through content. And please dont be disingenuous as claim you're "forced" into doing content. No one is forcing you to do anything.

So you are saying I don't need my tome gear for doing content? So if want to do endgame like extremes or savage, I'm not forced into the treadmill of tomes? Because we all are the type of hardcore raiders that clear the entire raid tier in crafted gear and even if, then your pushed into something to making the money for said gear.

If you want to participate in endgame you are indeed forced to take a path that has 2-3 possible routes or you wait half a year to do the 24 man raid to gear up ... that or you simply say "I don't mind being lower ilv then the rest, their gear will make up for mine" who are they to tell you.

[LeonKeyh]

Lol fearmongering. They are 100% allowed to kick you for difference of playstyle if they are wanting to continue and you decide to wander the whole map while they are at the exit..Also reporting for no reason isnt going to go well for people so I suggest they dont.

Don't ruin their made-up incredibly mentally unstable story!

I uh... wouldn't be so sure of that. They've been cracking down pretty hard on people for "abusing" the kick function as of late. Apparently kicking people for underperforming and/or not sticking with the group can now be considered abuse. Do it if you want, but don't be surprised if you end up gaoled after doing it one too many times.

I would ask for proof and specifics of the event that makes you say this. It's extremely unlikely that any instance of kicking, unless you have a mostly full party of FC mates that decide to kick someone, will be noted as being abuse. If you have 4 strangers together and 2 of them agree one has to go, there's a fairly low chance that it's being abused. I feel like if what you're saying is happening that it's more so based on conversation that happens before the kick.

[Vryn]

I uh... wouldn't be so sure of that. They've been cracking down pretty hard on people for "abusing" the kick function as of late. Apparently kicking people for underperforming and/or not sticking with the group can now be considered abuse. Do it if you want, but don't be surprised if you end up gaoled after doing it too many times.

There is nothing in the ToS stating that a GM can force you to play with people who aren't doing their part. The GMs cannot force you to play with others, especially when it's the majority decision. If that were the case, it would be the GMs abusing their power and could be considered actual harassment from a Square Enix Employee.