CC ranking system is simply bad

[Gserpent]

I give up, I will never rank up with this ranking system. Somehow, most of the time i end up on the team that will most likely lose....

Time of day you're playing has a *huge* impact, at least here on Crystal. If I play at like 2 AM, there's a *ton* of weak players on the field, and it's highly likely you'll get at least some of them on your team. You *can* partially mitigate this by playing classes with high carry potential like AST, RDM, and NIN... but one man can't carry an entire game on their own.

But when I play during prime time (most evenings until around midnight server time), there's a lot more people playing *and* the skill gradient is smoother. You see a lot more of the top 150ish players, a lot more Diamond players (not a measure of skill, but it does mean they've generally played fewer games), etc. Games are much more likely to be evenly balanced, and it's in those games where your individual contributions can shine through because you're less likely to be saddled with dead weight while the enemy team is not.

It sucks, but if you're actually focused on winning/pushing rank, you really can only play (ranked) CC at certain times of day.

[Nytes]

Time of day you're playing has a *huge* impact, at least here on Crystal. If I play at like 2 AM, there's a *ton* of weak players on the field, and it's highly likely you'll get at least some of them on your team. You *can* partially mitigate this by playing classes with high carry potential like AST, RDM, and NIN... but one man can't carry an entire game on their own.

But when I play during prime time (most evenings until around midnight server time), there's a lot more people playing *and* the skill gradient is smoother. You see a lot more of the top 150ish players, a lot more Diamond players (not a measure of skill, but it does mean they've generally played fewer games), etc. Games are much more likely to be evenly balanced, and it's in those games where your individual contributions can shine through because you're less likely to be saddled with dead weight while the enemy team is not.

It sucks, but if you're actually focused on winning/pushing rank, you really can only play (ranked) CC at certain times of day.

I agree in principle, but I ranked from bronze to crystal between roughly 12am est and 3am est. But as I said, agree cause I had a lot of luck sometimes, and other times luck sucked and I went to bed early.

[JamieRose]

I give up, I will never rank up with this ranking system. Somehow, most of the time i end up on the team that will most likely lose....

I agree wholeheartedly. Single wins braced between five game losing streaks means I'll never get out of Bronze 3.

Grats Squeenix for copying every stupid MOBA ever, right down to their asinine ranking systems and horrible matchmaking.

[Gserpent]

I agree wholeheartedly. Single wins braced between five game losing streaks means I'll never get out of Bronze 3.

Grats Squeenix for copying every stupid MOBA ever, right down to their asinine ranking systems and horrible matchmaking.

It's not even a good copy. It's been a hot minute since I last played DotA, but last time I did, the ranking system was just literally standard Elo-based MMR. The tiers and stuff are just window dressing. I don't know why they don't just copy it wholesale. It works perfectly fine. Hide the actual MMR that is used for matchmaking (because it's well known that seeing your number be lower than you believe it to be can be a major discouragement to players) and make it clear that your tier and rank are more of an estimate of how many games you've played and less of an estimate of player skill and ability.

[ThaCa]

The system is prone to some level of randomness (which should be bit better now that Patch removes Dia 5-4 from Crystal pool), especially in the unranked to silver bracket. Crystal is still fairly easy to get if you are good but you might have to deal with some really frustrating teams on the way. I got to Crystal in 55 wins as SGE on this Character and the most painful part was the Gold promotion. Got from Unranked to Silver 1+ in a easy 10 streak, then got stuck with unsalvageable games until another 10 wins to finally promote to Gold. After that it was mostly smooth sailing aside from few losses cutting the streaks, some of the games might have been winnable too while few were on par with the pre-gold messes.

It might help if they'd tighten up the low-end pool, unranked to high silver is massive fluctuation in player skill even if none of them are very good. Having a pure rating based system or somehow taking player performance in count instead of sheer win/loss might make it better to the more competent players, while helping ensure to keep the worse ones stumbling upwards with random streaks.

From what I've seen most if not all Jobs have been piloted from Unranked to Crystal by someone so far, so it is definately doable despite the balance and the way the system works.

[JamieRose]

The system is prone to some level of randomness (which should be bit better now that Patch removes Dia 5-4 from Crystal pool), especially in the unranked to silver bracket. Crystal is still fairly easy to get if you are good but you might have to deal with some really frustrating teams on the way. I got to Crystal in 55 wins as SGE on this Character and the most painful part was the Gold promotion. Got from Unranked to Silver 1+ in a easy 10 streak, then got stuck with unsalvageable games until another 10 wins to finally promote to Gold. After that it was mostly smooth sailing aside from few losses cutting the streaks, some of the games might have been winnable too while few were on par with the pre-gold messes.

It might help if they'd tighten up the low-end pool, unranked to high silver is massive fluctuation in player skill even if none of them are very good. Having a pure rating based system or somehow taking player performance in count instead of sheer win/loss might make it better to the more competent players, while helping ensure to keep the worse ones stumbling upwards with random streaks.

From what I've seen most if not all Jobs have been piloted from Unranked to Crystal by someone so far, so it is definately doable despite the balance and the way the system works.

I'm getting seven and eight game losing streaks in Bronze 3. Any notion that Crystal is easy to get to is pure, unadulterated BS.

[Luluna]

I am stuck in platinum...a few weeks back I climbed to just getting out of it and ever since I have lost most matches. I am trying my best up there with damage and doing the objectives...but I am forever stuck haha. I think I will have to accept it as I am losing the will to live trying to win a few matches.

I stopped for a week as it was annoying me lol but still I have won the odd one here and there. Usually when some players do not do the objective and are just there watching the other team float by in the circle QQ

I have the odd bad game here and there but it is beyond me how I am ever going to rank up.

[LeonKeyh]

I'm getting seven and eight game losing streaks in Bronze 3. Any notion that Crystal is easy to get to is pure, unadulterated BS.

Agreed here. I managed to hit Silver 3 a few weeks ago but after being Silver 3 0 risers for about 20 games I ended up walking away.

The problem is for us (people who didn't max rank "right away") is that in the beginning there were a ton of people playing that were...well... bad... so it was easy for a couple of players on each team to ultimately swing the fight. At this point, most of the worst players have stopped playing because they're not having fun and aren't getting anywhere. So, your teammates are a larger part of the total team skill level and you have a much lower chance of really turning the tide yourself.

[ThaCa]

Agreed here. I managed to hit Silver 3 a few weeks ago but after being Silver 3 0 risers for about 20 games I ended up walking away.

The problem is for us (people who didn't max rank "right away") is that in the beginning there were a ton of people playing that were...well... bad... so it was easy for a couple of players on each team to ultimately swing the fight. At this point, most of the worst players have stopped playing because they're not having fun and aren't getting anywhere. So, your teammates are a larger part of the total team skill level and you have a much lower chance of really turning the tide yourself.

The variance was bigger in the beginning, you would have very casual players and experienced players who hadn't ranked up yet. Now it's fairly even, I don't think the skill level is that much higher but the main issue in low ranks is the randomness and lack of objective play. You can have very big impact on low ranks even now BUT you will still get completely unsalvageable teams. Unranked to Silver 1 is extremely coinflippy and you can easily end with scoreboard where you are at the top, then the whole enemy team and at bottom the rest of your team.

Playing more supportive roles is absolute hell in low ranks, the best bet is to either play something that can just delete one person from enemy team at a time or something that has insane AoE damage to grind them out. Next to nobody uses elixirs and people struggle with MP management and proper Guard/Purify use.

[Tsugikai]

The biggest problem with the ranking system right now is that it's too easy to rank up to Crystal and you can't derank out of it.
Crystal is full of bored trolls who just screw around in matches because there's no penalty for losing if you're not shooting for top 100.

I very much disagree with the ranking system being "easy". I Have gone from Bronze 3 no stars to bronze 1 with 2 stars and back down again over 50 times since CC dropped.