Bard's future

[Roarmiaka]

FFXIV desperatly needs an expansion where it splits off the Classes into more jobs, just like summoner and scholar, They took awhile to figure out how to do it and i think its in a good state to do it with others:

Archer: Bard and Ranger
Marauder: Warrior and Berserker
Lancer: Dragoon and Sentinel (could be tank?)
Pugilist: Monk and Skirmisher
Conjuror: Whitemage and Geomancer
Gladiator: Paladin and Duelist

idk coming up with names out of the blue but get my point. These classes can be split to give us more variety with weapons and abilities.

Ranger could keep most of the Archer skills, but instead of songs at 30 we branch off into pets or traps or other fun Ranger gimmicks! There is no reason they are restricted from doing this. The story for bard wouldn't even need to change and we would still have our bow happy bards still on board (still would like a crossbow job too though!)

[ThorneDynasty]

FFXIV desperatly needs an expansion where it splits off the Classes into more jobs, just like summoner and scholar, They took awhile to figure out how to do it and i think its in a good state to do it with others:

Archer: Bard and Ranger
Marauder: Warrior and Berserker
Lancer: Dragoon and Sentinel (could be tank?)
Pugilist: Monk and Skirmisher
Conjuror: Whitemage and Geomancer
Gladiator: Paladin and Duelist

idk coming up with names out of the blue but get my point. These classes can be split to give us more variety with weapons and abilities.

Ranger could keep most of the Archer skills, but instead of songs at 30 we branch off into pets or traps or other fun Ranger gimmicks! There is no reason they are restricted from doing this. The story for bard wouldn't even need to change and we would still have our bow happy bards still on board (still would like a crossbow job too though!)

The SMN/SCH type split with shared EXP is seen as pretty problematic now by the devs at least, so it probably shouldn't work exactly like that. But personally I wouldn't mind jobs that share weapons and some basic class skills.

[TabrisOmbrelame]

FFXIV desperatly needs an expansion where it splits off the Classes into more jobs, just like summoner and scholar, They took awhile to figure out how to do it and i think its in a good state to do it with others:

Archer: Bard and Ranger
Marauder: Warrior and Berserker
Lancer: Dragoon and Sentinel (could be tank?)
Pugilist: Monk and Skirmisher
Conjuror: Whitemage and Geomancer
Gladiator: Paladin and Duelist

idk coming up with names out of the blue but get my point. These classes can be split to give us more variety with weapons and abilities.

Ranger could keep most of the Archer skills, but instead of songs at 30 we branch off into pets or traps or other fun Ranger gimmicks! There is no reason they are restricted from doing this. The story for bard wouldn't even need to change and we would still have our bow happy bards still on board (still would like a crossbow job too though!)

I think many people want that, such a shame it will not happen.

Square Enix said themselve that the SMN/SCH Exp share was a mistake and that they don't want to do it ever again.

BUT, what if they manage somehow to "split" without split ? Why not separating completely the SCH from the Arcanist, but keep all the low level spells exactly the same ? Making a difference between Codex and Index (SMN book will be equipable by Arcanist and SCH Book will not be able to do that) and removing the "Exp share". Maybe then, we could have "Similar" classes like what you proposed.

Now into what you propose :

Bard having a Ranger counter-part seems a good idea. Maybe turn the Bard into something more support like (why not even a completely new healer,) while the ranger specialise into DPS. The perfect exemple for the "Bard" healing, would be to look at FF4's character : Rosa, A white mage who use a Bow. That can be a design to use.

For Warrior, having a Berserker counter-part will only be logical. Pretty straight forward I must say, but effective.

Dragoon is a quite odd class to mix up with something else. A Sentinel, in my opinion, would be something like a "Hoplite" style, meaning a long lance and a shield, and that doesn't allow to be a "similar class". This one surely isn't easy to mix...

Monk and Skirmisher... I think you'll need to explain a little more what you think on this one, cause I really don't get it. To me, they have nothing in common.

White Mage for healing, and Geomancer for DPS is actually doable. Considering the White mage skill move, it use pretty much Light and Water in order to heal and protect. Geomancer could use more Earth in order to deal damage, It can even have some supportive heal or protection, because Earth Magic can be pretty vast to explore.

Paladin with a Duelist counter part, again just like the warrior and Berserker pretty straigh forward. The only difference, would be to drop the shield to focus on a gameplay that has more nerve, and speed approching the Samourai

[Roarmiaka]

I think many people want that, such a shame it will not happen.

Square Enix said themselve that the SMN/SCH Exp share was a mistake and that they don't want to do it ever again.

BUT, what if they manage somehow to "split" without split ? Why not separating completely the SCH from the Arcanist, but keep all the low level spells exactly the same ? Making a difference between Codex and Index (SMN book will be equipable by Arcanist and SCH Book will not be able to do that) and removing the "Exp share". Maybe then, we could have "Similar" classes like what you proposed.

Now into what you propose :

Bard having a Ranger counter-part seems a good idea. Maybe turn the Bard into something more support like (why not even a completely new healer,) while the ranger specialise into DPS. The perfect exemple for the "Bard" healing, would be to look at FF4's character : Rosa, A white mage who use a Bow. That can be a design to use.

For Warrior, having a Berserker counter-part will only be logical. Pretty straight forward I must say, but effective.

Dragoon is a quite odd class to mix up with something else. A Sentinel, in my opinion, would be something like a "Hoplite" style, meaning a long lance and a shield, and that doesn't allow to be a "similar class". This one surely isn't easy to mix...

Monk and Skirmisher... I think you'll need to explain a little more what you think on this one, cause I really don't get it. To me, they have nothing in common.

White Mage for healing, and Geomancer for DPS is actually doable. Considering the White mage skill move, it use pretty much Light and Water in order to heal and protect. Geomancer could use more Earth in order to deal damage, It can even have some supportive heal or protection, because Earth Magic can be pretty vast to explore.

Paladin with a Duelist counter part, again just like the warrior and Berserker pretty straigh forward. The only difference, would be to drop the shield to focus on a gameplay that has more nerve, and speed approching the Samourai

I was really just thinking of names off top of my head. Like Skirmisher I was thinking is less religious kungfu and more street brawler lore wise, could be a tank? haha just random thoughts.

[TabrisOmbrelame]

I was really just thinking of names off top of my head. Like Skirmisher I was thinking is less religious kungfu and more street brawler lore wise, could be a tank? haha just random thoughts.

Ho... I've missed the part where you said : "idk coming up with names out of the blue but get my point."

My bad, I though you were thinking that over many times. Still, some could lead to great idea

[anhaato]

I think many people want that, such a shame it will not happen.

Square Enix said themselve that the SMN/SCH Exp share was a mistake and that they don't want to do it ever again.

BUT, what if they manage somehow to "split" without split ? Why not separating completely the SCH from the Arcanist, but keep all the low level spells exactly the same ? Making a difference between Codex and Index (SMN book will be equipable by Arcanist and SCH Book will not be able to do that) and removing the "Exp share". Maybe then, we could have "Similar" classes like what you proposed.

It's really much simpler that. Make leveling a class a prerequisite to unlocking a job that doesn't share exp with the other(s) that share the same prerequisite class. Leveling archer to 30 gives you access to ranger (rdps) as a direct job upgrade and makes bard (ideally I would want it as a healer like in XI) unlockable from a separate questline; "archer xp" only counts towards ranger, while bard is an entirely separate job that retains no archer buttons. Would leveling be a bit annoying? Kinda, if you haven't already leveled archer, but if you have then it's not much different than running to Ishgard to unlock one of those jobs since you've already done the prerequisite work. That's what I wish the game did to begin with. One could argue that it would put scholar in a better position (but let's be real sch's "better position" was when it still had plenty of acn stuff.)

Hope this doesn't count as a necro, I've just been lamenting brd lately after logging in for the first time in a few weeks (hence my several day break from the msq criticism thread lol)