18+ mods should be a bannable offense along with every 18+ club

[Toutatis]

No, it's called parents should watch their damn kids. If you don't know what your kid is doing n who they're talking to you're already failing

No parent can monitor their kid 24/7, especially not teenagers, let alone sitting by a teenager every time they play a video game to read the chat. The game is advertised 13+ and SE has to take reasonable measures to ensure that it remains so.

On the other hand, in several parts of the world, criminal liability can be triggered when adults have certain sexual online comportments/communications with minors, even if it is just text. Since FFXIV is a game accessible to minors there is a probability that you’ll end up in contact with minors. If you are an adult and want to ERP regardless of TOS, make sure that you are doing so with an adult. That burden falls on you.

That being said, merely advertising something as 18+ doesn’t mean anything. It has to be accompanied by something that is contrary to the TOS.

[Xavier_Firbold]

If we look closely into the ToS, ERP is tolerated in a "Private" version. Therefore, advertising for +18 activities club render the thing "Public" because anyone can see it, and anyone can attend. This ultimately make the club "Public" and is violating the ToS.

You can ERP one on one with someone in your house, without anyone knowing : Nothings happens
You advertise to make a giant ERP Party in your house : Bannable

I'm aware, I've reported it multiple times but still see the same people advertising. It's retarded.

[Rolder50]

You can ERP one on one with someone in your house, without anyone knowing : Nothings happens
You advertise to make a giant ERP Party in your house : Bannable

Just in case you were not aware, the clubs that advertise 18+ RP and all that don't actually do it in public. More often then not its just a place for like minded people to find each other, then they go do the dirty in private like civilized humans.

[Xavier_Firbold]

Just in case you were not aware, the clubs that advertise 18+ RP and all that don't actually do it in public. More often then not its just a place for like minded people to find each other, then they go do the dirty in private like civilized humans.

Factually incorrect. They literally advertise "Playboy bunny venues with ERP addons." They do this in shout chat. That's pretty public.

[LaylaTsarra]

Some clubs do cross the line and personally I think the managers of those clubs open themselves and their accounts to moderation. The use of NSFW mods however are not new and are not something anyone would be aware of unless they used them.

The use of those mods and erotic role playing are far from limited to clubs however.

[Arazehl]

People can say it doesn't hurt anyone, but it does. The gil revenue is enormous and people get filthy rich in game by it. This is the main reason why people do it. Has little to do with RP these days. It effects the markets, housing, and overall trade in the game. There is nothing however to sink that sort of gil back into the game, with such a bloated economy, so those trying to earn honest gil, suffer while prices on the markets drop to an all time low. I would be surprised if RMT doesn't have a huge foot hold in the door in this gil grabbing scheme.

[TabrisOmbrelame]

I'm aware, I've reported it multiple times but still see the same people advertising. It's retarded.

Yeah, I wasn't saying you weren't aware. I was saying that to make it more clear for people to understand in case of misunderstanding. Still, I agree with you. Action should be taken according to ToS.

Just in case you were not aware, the clubs that advertise 18+ RP and all that don't actually do it in public. More often then not its just a place for like minded people to find each other, then they go do the dirty in private like civilized humans.

Actually, I don't have this kind of advertising in my server. But, if you want to keep something private, you don't go out and shout that in public. Imagine you just win a huge money prize and wish to keep this private, you will not open your window to shout in the street that you won, it would be absurd. This is almost the same, except people want to do this business in "Private" BUT are looking for external people to do so, which fall in the "Public" area. Shouting about this, as I said earlier, will only let people know about the existance for this behavior. While not completely against the ToS if it's keep in private, it is completely against it if it's public. Therefore, it's punishable. And Xavier_Firbold said it before me, so I guess I don't give you anything new.

People can say it doesn't hurt anyone, but it does. The gil revenue is enormous and people get filthy rich in game by it. This is the main reason why people do it. Has little to do with RP these days. It effects the markets, housing, and overall trade in the game. There is nothing however to sink that sort of gil back into the game, with such a bloated economy, so those trying to earn honest gil, suffer while prices on the markets drop to an all time low. I would be surprised if RMT doesn't have a huge foot hold in the door in this gil grabbing scheme.

I've never ever thought about that. What you just said leaved me speechless. In my opinion, this is actually a really good argument and everyone just passed by it without even noticing but it's actually true. This means business can be made out of this, BUT it's a simulation of "Prostitution" which shouldn't be allowed in the ToS.

"People can say it doesn't hurt anyone, but it does.", as you said. You are right, up to a certain extent. Although it doesn't hurt people directly, I think it actually hurt the economics system of the game, which ultimately affect player in the end. But, this will fall into a Grey area of the ToS, I guess, because you earn gils without trading real money, so we can't say that is RMT. Maybe looking closely to the ToS can give an answer to that, but i'm not sure

[Bunnycake]

Factually incorrect. They literally advertise "Playboy bunny venues with ERP addons." They do this in shout chat. That's pretty public.

I don't see with ERP addons out here in Primal.

[Kolsykol]

If a Streamer streamed the game with NSFW mods they'd get banned too.
Stop whining and crying about this holy shit.
Don't publically advertise that you're using addons and you'll be fine, just stop being dumb about this please.

People can say it doesn't hurt anyone, but it does. The gil revenue is enormous and people get filthy rich in game by it. This is the main reason why people do it. Has little to do with RP these days. It effects the markets, housing, and overall trade in the game. There is nothing however to sink that sort of gil back into the game, with such a bloated economy, so those trying to earn honest gil, suffer while prices on the markets drop to an all time low. I would be surprised if RMT doesn't have a huge foot hold in the door in this gil grabbing scheme.

Who are you to decide on behalf of everyone else what '' honest gil '' is?
I imagine that they're actually spending their time in these clubs running them and interacting with people?
How is it any different than gathering and selling on the market board?
Which people do and make hundreds of millions on.

Time is money, you invest your time into delivering a service you should get paid.
And tbh the amount of fun people get out of making that gil is probably significantly more than mindlessly farming.

No parent can monitor their kid 24/7, especially not teenagers, let alone sitting by a teenager every time they play a video game to read the chat. The game is advertised 13+ and SE has to take reasonable measures to ensure that it remains so.

On the other hand, in several parts of the world, criminal liability can be triggered when adults have certain sexual online comportments/communications with minors, even if it is just text. Since FFXIV is a game accessible to minors there is a probability that you’ll end up in contact with minors. If you are an adult and want to ERP regardless of TOS, make sure that you are doing so with an adult. That burden falls on you.

That being said, merely advertising something as 18+ doesn’t mean anything. It has to be accompanied by something that is contrary to the TOS.

If you're a parent and you're worried about this in FFXIV then I seriously question your priorities.
This is a game full of sexual violence, sexual slavery, torture and genocide in the MSQ...
( As well as people running around in underwear in Limsa. )

You obviously shouldn't be engaging with this stuff with minors but at the same time if a minor lies about their age then it's not the adults fault and no one was actually harmed we're not talking about irl stuff.
Imo the minor should be banned in that scenario not the adult, not talking about ToS there but just what I think is right.
But I seriously think that parents need to check their priorities too and this is like my least worry on the internet too, if you're worried about this stuff then you should just not allow your kid to use the internet tbh.
Like I am sry but even tho things are way less crazy than when I was a kid and was on the internet ( the internet is VERY sanitized today compared to back in the day ).
The fact just is that if you let your kid use the internet they're going to see and be exposed to things, being a responsible parent is also being aware of that and taking responsibility for it.

[Coletergeist]

People can say it doesn't hurt anyone, but it does. The gil revenue is enormous and people get filthy rich in game by it. This is the main reason why people do it. Has little to do with RP these days. It effects the markets, housing, and overall trade in the game. There is nothing however to sink that sort of gil back into the game, with such a bloated economy, so those trying to earn honest gil, suffer while prices on the markets drop to an all time low. I would be surprised if RMT doesn't have a huge foot hold in the door in this gil grabbing scheme.

This has to be a troll response lmao; wut?
People making money hurts the economy how, exactly?
In fact, I know players that are maxed out on gil and just simply hand it away to people like new players with sprout icons just for fun - like 5 mil for shits and giggles because they can. That has happened to me, friends, and others.
People with money can buy shit. People making money means they can buy stuff.
People with money is what helps - whether people are buying stuff off the MB or transferred player to player doesn't matter, this makes no sense. This is a game, please, lol. If you desperately need something, crafting jobs exist - you don't need to get an interview with a manager to be able to craft your own stuff. Real jobs don't exist in this game, you can be whatever you want to be.

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