Public Discussion: Community Feedback - Is it being heard?

[MilkieTea]

Blood lily was made damage neutral, so I'd say yes. But more seriously...


Feedback being Heard doesn't always mean they'll agree with it or implement everything the community asks for. Nor does them hearing you mean they have to do everything you say. Nor is it possible to actually adhere to every community whim when one group wants one thing and another wants the opposite.

This. I'd argue a lot of the issues right now aren't stemming from them not hearing us, but rather from them hearing us and a thousand other different opinions and then some.

[BrokentoothMarch]

This. I'd argue a lot of the issues right now aren't stemming from them not hearing us, but rather from them hearing us and a thousand other different opinions and then some.

There's quite a few unanimous voices, like the state of healers and the limited races, being outright ignored if not insulted. The devs indeed just "know better".

[Elesh]

There's quite a few unanimous voices, like the state of healers and the limited races, being outright ignored if not insulted. The devs indeed just "know better".

If you genuinely think there is ANY opinion about this game that is unanimous, you're wrong. Unanimous in YOUR PERSONAL EXTREMELY LIMITED VIEWPOINT, maybe. But unanimous overall? No.

[BrokentoothMarch]

If you genuinely think there is ANY opinion about this game that is unanimous, you're wrong. Unanimous in YOUR PERSONAL EXTREMELY LIMITED VIEWPOINT, maybe. But unanimous overall? No.

Okay. Enjoy being objectively wrong. I tire of arguing with absolute monkeys who force their narrow perspective on others. Proud of ignorance. It takes a special breed, so you can embrace that.

All it takes a stroll in the SAM thread, the tank voices in their forums, or the megathread with healers. Or the megathread with Hroth. Or the megathread with Viera. Or the megathread with housing. Or the megathread with-

Are you doing this on purpose? This is why I hate the community now.

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Pointless hair split for the purpose of saving face. Be more subtle. Also, I wouldn't use such spicy contexts for this.

[MilkieTea]

Pointless hair split for the purpose of saving face. Be more subtle.

This. I'd argue a lot of the issues right now aren't stemming from them not hearing us, but rather from them hearing us and a thousand other different opinions and then some.

Point out, exactly where in this sentence, did I state that they hear all issues and that all issues do not go unheard?

Are you doing this on purpose? Be more subtle.

[MilkieTea]

There's quite a few unanimous voices, like the state of healers and the limited races, being outright ignored if not insulted. The devs indeed just "know better".

I never said certain issues weren't being left unheard.

[Striker44]

There's quite a few unanimous voices, like the state of healers and the limited races, being outright ignored if not insulted. The devs indeed just "know better".

"Unanimous" among a small group of people who happen to post on the forums in a thread dedicated to a particular complaint does not mean anything "unanimous" for the actual playerbase.

[Lauront]

"Unanimous" among a small group of people who happen to post on the forums in a thread dedicated to a particular complaint does not mean anything "unanimous" for the actual playerbase.

What's the alternative source? The "data" (what data)? The "surveys" which we have no real sight of beyond those who happen to receive them, which then vanish from our sight altogether (i.e. what does SE even do with these)? What are the devs basing their decisions on? You can keep dismissing this or that source of feedback - even on reddit, the delusion hasn't set in to the point that people don't realise that there's issues with healer gameplay, for example - but at some point you have to ask then what ARE you basing your views on? Because I can tell you, every single site that is unabashedly positive about the game is itself a minority. Metacritic? Reddit? Twitter? How many redditors actively post and contribute on any given topic? 600k figure is a red herring. Sure, we can take an agnostic position with regard to the broader playerbase, but the complaints about certain things are so well-trodden that I think you're simply sticking your fingers in your ears at a certain point and asking for something which is impossible to provide in order to dismiss complaints. Which is childish. At a certain point the devs need to explain why they're hiding from their OF feedback (which is their own company's responsibility to moderate and clean up) and, if it's the case, why they don't agree with rather broadly recurring complaints on it. SE is far from infallible, let's put that pretence to death.