Is it necessary to advertise "LGBTQ+ friendly"

[LittleImp]

'LGBTQ+ friendly' doesn't mean 'LGBTQ+ Only', I don't think anyone is being excluded?

It's funny; I'm a cishet dude who usually finds myself joining LGBTQ+ friendly FCs because I've had a lot of really good experience with groups that identify as such. Despite all of the weird generalizations people in this thread have been throwing out, I've actually found them to be some of the most drama-free and mature FCs I've been in. I've seen waaaay more drama in FCs full of bitter conservative straight dudes competing for attention from an e-girl, or throwing huge fits about 'muh freeze peach' when they're asked not to make transphobic "jokes".

[Coletergeist]

People put too much importance on their gender identity and how it shapes their life when, in reality, noone really cares.

You'd actually be surprised at how many people do care and get offended that such people exist. Being trans myself, I come across people that get offended at my mere existence and try to go out of their way to make a point that they don't like me. So, I mean, take that as you will. And I don't even say anything like "hey I'm trans", sometimes you can just tell, and folks come up to me asking "hey are you trans?" As if it's their personal business to ask personal information like that. It gets annoying to be treated like I'm not "normal". Like, yeah, I am...and? I really don't understand why it matters. Tbh, folks get way too curious, and then when I answer "yes" I get treated instantly different.

Edit: I'd say my gender identity is pretty important to me, although I don't go around announcing it as if it's my only personality trait. But as said, folks get too curious and go about asking personal questions, and I'm not going to straight up say that I'm not. It's nice to sometimes find groups of like-minded individuals so that I can avoid folks that would go out of their way to make me feel uncomfortable and unwelcome.

[Raikai]

A lot of people here saying that it shouldn't be needed, or is not important...

The "label" literally was born because of historical oppression. Like any other movement (race, gender equality, and many others) that asks for the same rights and be treated as a human being. In an ideal world, yeah it would not be important, needed... however flash news, reality isn't quite there yet and probably will take a long time, still.

Heck, is absurd how up to this day women still have to fight to get equal work rights as men.

[Starshower]

Saying the FC is LGBTQ+ friendly doesn't exclude straight people from joining, if you can believe it. I've been in some of these, and we had straight members, we all had a nice time. It should also be stated that any FC has a potential for drama, it's not exclusive of any type of FC. In fact, the FC that I saw the most drama in was one of those generic max capacity FCs, there was consnant infighting and people would split off carrying a chunk of the members with them to their new FC. In one of those big FCs I was in, people (men) were talking about who they thought were the hottest MSQ characters, mentioning the female characters. I (man) had the audacity of saying I thought another male character was hot and then I was mocked in a homophobic way. Another FC I was in, when I joined voice chat, I had a more "feminine" voice and some people were homophobic right off the bat. This is is really tiring, why would I want to be in a place that accepts this kind of bullshit? That doesn't mean it always happens in "normal" FCs, but joining an LGBTQ+ FC means you probably won't see this kind of thing. If you're straight you can join too if you want. If you don't want, don't join. Simple as that.

[IkaraGreydancer]

The thing a lot of people don't realize is that you don't get to not make your sexuality and gender identity/expression a large part of who you are. It's one of the most flagrantly visible things about a person from the moment you realize you can develop a crush on someone. You have pretty much every societal expectation heaped upon you at once, and the only time it doesn't cause significant strain is if you're both cis and heterosexual. And the more strain you feel- the more mental bandwidth your identity takes up- the bigger a part of your personality becomes. It's like a muscle. A big, gay muscle.

Not to mention that people alter how they treat you based on your identity whether they realize it or not. Societal expectations cannot be so easily dodged. The fact that anyone in this thread could ever feel weird when a queer person is visibly queer is proof of that.

This applies even more strongly to things like race but I know in saying that I'll get a symphony of people who even more feverishly deny their implicit biases lmao



Sometimes queer people don't want to be treated "normally." They just don't want to be treated worse. The two are not the same.

Define worse

[PrimordialParadox]

It's only annoying to me when you got the people shouting advertisements in chat constantly.

I personally feel like it's a waste of time. If someone needs to be validated, more power to them. As for me personally, I'm here to play a video game, not care what someone identifies as or is attracted to.

Be civil to me, and I'll be civil to you.

[ElysiumDragon]

As someone who's LGBTQ+, I can answer this.

The idea is to advertise that your specific community more than just 'tolerates' you, or doesn't see your identity as an 'issue'. For example, if someone is trans, their voice perhaps not matching their preferred gender wouldn't be an issue for voice chat, or if someone is non-heterosexual, then mentioning an IRL same-gender/same-sex partner wouldn't bat an eyelid.

[not_ya_wify]

According to the rules, at https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...5382&kid=68216 ,


To which the first example is

And I understand that they punish for off-game behavior. as well, so treating people like garbage outside of the game is punishable.

With all this being said, it almost seems redundant to advertise "LGBTQ+ friendly" in a game where you are required to tolerate it both on and off the game, seeing as how guilds that aren't friendly would be punished.

Is it redundant, or is it warranted even with the rules being as explicit as they are about a zero tolerance (on and off game) about it?

My assumption when I see "LGBTQ+ friendly" is that it's a space primarily for LGBTQ+ people. I assume that every FCs is LGBTQ+ friendly and that if you advertise it, your FC is probably 80+% LGBTQ+

[Vencio]

Then I have a right to say this,

Have everyone all the same be inclusive, particularly those that don’t agree with the same ideology or perhaps have another community be in it as well,

The issue I have with these type of community settings (not just LGBTQ but other’s) it creates a division amongst the rest of other people,

In irl we have that problem ongoing. Just because I am hispanic therefore I will say to have an all inclusive hispanis/spanish community reinforced when in truth the message that’s displaying its separating the “ Us with them/rest”.

I beyond disagree with the entirety of it,

We’ll always come around bad apples in the world, and thats part of growing & also valuing those that values you likewise without incriminating or otherwise.

In truth, I rather have an FC where everyone are just themselves from a variety of backgrounds without the constant emphasis of “Community this, that, etc., & just be a regular FC within civility, etiquette, and tackle anyone being discriminatory regardless.

I don’t truly care if an FC member is an LGBTQ, European/Caucasian, Weeb, Cop, Artist or whatever, I just see the individual as it is.

Only judge whats bad of character

[Veranolth]

In truth, I rather have an FC where everyone are just themselves from a variety of backgrounds without the constant emphasis of “Community this, that, etc., & just be a regular FC within civility, etiquette, and tackle anyone being discriminatory regardless.

That's literally what LGBTQ+ friendly FCs should be, or at least speaking for my own FC, that's how ours is like, and I would even say that most people in the FC are cisgender/straight. We really only ask people to be civil and respect each other.