Y'shtola is a Mary Sue.

[VictorTheed]

What's a Mary Sue?

Is that like a 1950s Karen?

[IkaraGreydancer]

Or they could have killed them and not pulled out a final boss out of nowhere to end the past 8-year-ish plot.

Yeah because the boss totally came out of nowhere...
Say the Scions die. What then? Where does the story go because apparently a built up final boss doesn't cut it for you people. So what happens instead?

[VictorTheed]

Or they could have killed them and not pulled out a final boss out of nowhere to end the past 8-year-ish plot.

Yes the meteon thing should have been the dead ends/ whatever it's called dungeon boss.

I was hoping we'd absorb Hydelyn and Zenos absorb Zodiark or vice versa for the 6.0 final boss, or if they didn't go that route give us Zodiark for final boss cause he's been talked about for expansions, meteon wasnt that great and came out of nowhere.

[Kacho_Nacho]

What's a Mary Sue?

Is that like a 1950s Karen?

A Mary Sue is a idealized self-insert of the writer into the story. They have no flaws and are better than everyone else at everything they do.

Y'shtola is not a Mary Sue. She's just a character who isn't interesting to the original poster. Personally, I like her.

[VictorTheed]

A Mary Sue is a idealized self-insert of the writer into the story. They have no flaws and are better than everyone else at everything they do.

Y'shtola is not a Mary Sue. She's just a character who isn't interesting to the original poster. Personally, I like her.

Ty for the explanation my friend, I've never heard that name be used like that B4, the only time I've heard that name was when someone was referring to some female in the early 1900s who was named Mary Sue.

[Deceptus]

A Mary Sue is a idealized self-insert of the writer into the story. They have no flaws and are better than everyone else at everything they do.

Y'shtola is not a Mary Sue. She's just a character who isn't interesting to the original poster. Personally, I like her.

A traditional Mary Sue is characterized by someone who didn't "earn their power" and doesn't have weakness, which marginally applies to Y'shtola.

I mean, what exactly is her weakness? Blindness? Doesn't seem to affect her in the slightest. Before the blindness? Arrogance maybe but it was never a shortcoming that had any consequence.

[Cygnia]

In my opinion Y'shtola isn't a Mary Sue - I feel a lot of people tend to mistake the symptoms for core issue, as being incredibly talented and well liked does go hand in hand with Suedom...when the outstanding trait is bending the universal and indisputable law to one's whim while everyone else must play by the rules and explicitly so. Her trouble is that there's very little pushback or personal failure broadcast like Alphinaud/Urianger/Thancred etc to counterbalance her progidious mastery of magic. Nobody ever gets the better of her verbally either, thereby contributing to a sense she's elevated above even the remarkable. In addition, the constant out of game promotion exacerbates this sense of exclusivity. Nobody else has a hideously expensive doll. She was the face of XIV in Dissidia. The Mogstation features her ARR, Stormblood and Shadowbringers outfit. And so on...you get the gist.

[Magikazam]

Yeah because the boss totally came out of nowhere...
Say the Scions die. What then? Where does the story go because apparently a built up final boss doesn't cut it for you people. So what happens instead?

Name me one time where Endsinger was hinted at or even named prior to 6.0. She came from nowhere. She appears and die in 6.0 that not called being ''build up''. We had Zodiark portrayed as the BBEG since 1.0, he should have been the final boss or used by the final boss at some extend.

Im not saying murder all Scion btw, im just saying it okay to let some die, Papalymo died yet we survived the next few Xpac didn't we?

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Name me one time where Endsinger was hinted at or even named prior to 6.0. She came from nowhere. She appears and die in 6.0 that not called being ''build up''. We had Zodiark portrayed as the BBEG since 1.0, he should have been the final boss or used by the final boss at some extend.

Im not saying murder all Scion btw, im just saying it okay to let some die, Papalymo died yet we survived the next few Xpac didn't we?

The final boss of Stormblood was Shinryu, a boss that was never hinted at prior. Literally came out of nowhere

[Caddo]

The final boss of Stormblood was Shinryu, a boss that was never hinted at prior. Literally came out of nowhere

Did... did you skip Heavensward at the end of its patch cycle? Shinryu did not "come out of nowhere". This is why people get annoyed when people skip the story/cutscenes (not saying you did but.. if you didn't you would remember the whole part of him coming into existence and what happened because of it).