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  1. #131
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    Valkyrie_Lenneth's Avatar
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    Lynne Asteria
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carin-Eri View Post
    Not a fan of her either. Aloof and, frankly, arrogant don't do anything for me.

    And I feel that the 'little sun' thing she is (in)famous for was completely overrated. In fact it made me dislike her even more, because instead of a gentle put-down she just outright humiliates the poor fella for absolutely no good reason.
    Magnai is arrogant and self centered. She was just giving him what he deserved.
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  2. #132
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    Ikara Graydancer
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corue View Post
    I love the plot but the writers really cannot help themselves with these fake-out deaths. How many times has Y'shtola "died" now? Three? Poor Papalymo and Moenbryda are gone forever but she always finds some way to come back.

    Or maybe this is a meta joke about cats having 9 lives.
    She's never died nor stated to have iirc. They said she was lost to the lifestream or something to that effect. Thats the problem, people either arent payig attention or are purposely omitting details. And anyone who played EW would know they'd return. I don't see folks bitch about Emet coming back from death (If were using that) and saving us from Elidibus.

    Say the scions stayed dead, guess what? We lose against The Endsinger as there's no one to use dynamis to shield us from her "enrage". Gg story over. I guess some folks want that
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  3. #133
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    Magikazam's Avatar
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    Omori Oatmeal
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    Quote Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer View Post
    She's never died nor stated to have iirc. They said she was lost to the lifestream or something to that effect. Thats the problem, people either arent payig attention or are purposely omitting details. And anyone who played EW would know they'd return. I don't see folks bitch about Emet coming back from death (If were using that) and saving us from Elidibus.

    Say the scions stayed dead, guess what? We lose against The Endsinger as there's no one to use dynamis to shield us from her "enrage". Gg story over. I guess some folks want that
    Or they could have killed them and not pulled out a final boss out of nowhere to end the past 8-year-ish plot.
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  4. #134
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    Gemina's Avatar
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    Gemina Lunarian
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    Magnai is arrogant and self centered. She was just giving him what he deserved.
    Considering that he is indeed arrogant and self-centered, the fact that he is so weak in knees when it comes to courtship with a female, the brunt of his humiliation is self-inflicted. Y'shtola kind of just kicked dirt in his face to be honest.

    In contrast, she had to reject Runar's not so subtle request that she stay with them(him) on the first, and that was met with a tear filled promise of her return.
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  5. #135
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    RobynDaBank's Avatar
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    Hope Sunflame
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carin-Eri View Post
    Not a fan of her either. Aloof and, frankly, arrogant don't do anything for me.

    And I feel that the 'little sun' thing she is (in)famous for was completely overrated. In fact it made me dislike her even more, because instead of a gentle put-down she just outright humiliates the poor fella for absolutely no good reason.
    I too, would like to bring down a guy who's trying to almost creep on every woman in the vicinity a peg or ten. Like I love you Magnai... but you asked for it.
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  6. #136
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    Lord_Umbra's Avatar
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    Umitu Umbra
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobynDaBank View Post
    I too, would like to bring down a guy who's trying to almost creep on every woman in the vicinity a peg or ten. Like I love you Magnai... but you asked for it.
    Does he creep on them he simple ask them if they could be his Nhamma & if they want to be & if rejected like he constantly is he backs offs, he seems to understand no means no he doesn't continuously hound the women he ask to be his Nhamma.

    Anyway per the topic Sthola is kinder boring character.
    She just feels like a non character only existing when we need a deus ex machina moment or a cheap shock value moment like ARR end or when Zenos sliced her in half leaving miraculously no scar or ShB jumping into pitt or sacrifice in EW which loved how they had double up on Twins/Uri others wise we would've had Scions to spare to reach her, also after all we essentially learned we're just fine with whole sacrifice a familiar business weird moment after whole 6.0 story.
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  7. #137
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    Seig345's Avatar
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    Seigyoku Cypher
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    Sargatanas
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zabuza View Post
    [...]
    Urianger got his development in Endwalker.
    [...]
    I feel like if we were okay with waiting until an expansion that came out less than a year ago for a Pre-ARR Character to get some development, then I'm willing to wait through one more expansion without any Y'shtola development before agreeing with the sentiment here. Since she does seem to be the "Postergirl" of FFXIV, it wouldn't surprise me if perhaps they'd prefer to wait for the opportunity to make her the centerpiece of her own expansion.

    I can't comment on the lack of weaknesses though; poor memory, but it seems to me that most if not all of the Scions were just kind of "helpers" to the WoL with little opportunity to showcase any weaknesses or lack thereof until they got an expansion that ordained to focus on them as a major part of the story. It doesn't feel like we've gotten that for Y'shtola yet; and again if we're going to point at finger at her while pointing to a 10+ year "Scion Veteran" who got his development less than a year ago as part of the supporting evidence, I'd like to see the next expansion through first.
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  8. #138
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    Corue's Avatar
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    Sari Mogari
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    Behemoth
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    Dark Knight Lv 84
    Quote Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer View Post
    She's never died nor stated to have iirc. They said she was lost to the lifestream or something to that effect. Thats the problem, people either arent payig attention or are purposely omitting details. And anyone who played EW would know they'd return. I don't see folks bitch about Emet coming back from death (If were using that) and saving us from Elidibus.
    That doesn't really go against what I was saying lmao. They keep making characters and them having them die but then not really. I think only about two or three have died and actually stayed dead.

    It loses all the drama when you just know "oh they're gonna come back after about 5 minutes" and the only real tension was that they don't get any dialogue for about 3 or 4 scenes.
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  9. #139
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    Hope Sunflame
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord_Umbra View Post
    Does he creep on them he simple ask them if they could be his Nhamma & if they want to be & if rejected like he constantly is he backs offs, he seems to understand no means no he doesn't continuously hound the women he ask to be his Nhamma.[/HB]
    Unless it's Sadu, I guess.
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  10. #140
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eross View Post
    I mean, she's blind but still can read books...
    Pretty much this. It can be handwaved to "hurr durr books are written with enchanted ink that are infused with Aether!"

    No, those are Grimoires / Codex (Codices?). Books used to channel Aether to cast spells. Literal Spell Books.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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