Learn your history lesson: Witch Hunts DO cause innocents to be banned

[Havenchild]

But it doesn't give you a solution before the mechanic shows up. Also how many people are 1 shotting ultimate, or savage because of cactbot? When this starts happening sure I would maybe consider this as a possible concern. Personally I don't care if people are using cactbot to get there clears, and I am not sure why everyone else is concerned. This add on will never be a requirement to do content, and will never affect the playerbase unless the devs create the content with the intention of players using cactbot which they are not doing.

Edit: Nevermind I guess Lil Imp said it does. I really don't know what all cactbot can do outside of calls, nor do I really care over all.

If you don't know what it does, then you really shouldn't have such a dismissive tone towards these tools and those that find it an issue.

Moving that aside though, in terms of how it impacts the overall playerbase, I would point to WoW for this. A situation formed where you had high end raiders using a program similar to CB called DBM. DBM diminished the encounters to such an extent, that raids were becoming "not difficult" in the eyes of the raiding community. WoW devs then, to appease this community, began developing harder content with DBM in mind, and this lead to raiding eventually requiring DBM because it was overtuned otherwise. Mechanics increasing to such a difficulty, ostracized larger portions of the community including the raiding base. Recruitment party standards rose to levels that only some of the most dedicated could arrive at, which for WoW is a cluster of systems that govern character progression that all need to be maintained.

That's how a program that just does "callouts" will affect everyone. DBM was one of the many reasons WoW's raiding community devolved to what it is now, and in their case, the devs seemingly embraced it. If you tried to get into raiding in WoW right now from a completely vanilla character, even knowing the best optimization with tools like DBM, it would still take a significant amount of time to be "decent" enough to participate in groups. Were talking months here, largely because the encounters are now overtuned.

[Inanegrain]

The point being, is it's not just a parser you would be approving. It also includes all add-ons (from within) ACT that you can get.
CB can announce how to handle mechanics before you even see them on the screen for example, most prevalent is UCOB handling Nael Mechanics or UWU handling Titan Gaols.
There's quick setup guides on youtube. So I'm just saying, if you say yes to ACT, you are equally saying yes to CB because CB NEEDS ACT to even work and CB is largely considered one of the main cheating tools.
Unless for some reason you believe that we should trust the playerbase to not take advantage of ACT in it's fullest once if it is "approved".

tl:dr : "cheating", context may cause GMs to ignore it if it's "harmless". Subjective views for each individual.

I don't think a person who cleared it late into a tier with cactbot for mechanics actively, would want to discuss about difficulty. That's what I believe people would look at people who used cactbot as, irrelevant, but an idea on what people think of it.

Overly simple insinuation would be people beating up players who actively use cactbot to clear.
It starts from no one should care if they clear with it till they say something dumb.

It goes back into the no third party applications at all issue yet GMs have to consider the callouts to be an advantage or not on the spectrum of "this is a useless callout" to "this is cheating".

ACT will never be approved unless SE gives their version of ACT which I highly doubt they would. It falls under "do not show, do not talk about it" while they've mentioned severity has mattered instead of "do not show", not caring if it's the overlay on stream or callouts, because most incidents previously I've seen were being toxic and were harassing, besides the recent DSR ones.

I remember watching a discussion and I'd agree that cactbot should be removed from ACT to make it simpler to judge, but it has that spectrum I mentioned earlier, being fine or absolutely not.

Makes the conditions change when they considered DSR a community event which is another discussion.

I've not played WoW or any MMOs that made callouts similar to what cactbot can do, no clue what DBM is.

[Darksummoner]

The point being, is it's not just a parser you would be approving. It also includes all add-ons (from within) ACT that you can get.
CB can announce how to handle mechanics before you even see them on the screen for example, most prevalent is UCOB handling Nael Mechanics or UWU handling Titan Gaols.
There's quick setup guides on youtube. So I'm just saying, if you say yes to ACT, you are equally saying yes to CB because CB NEEDS ACT to even work and CB is largely considered one of the main cheating tools.
Unless for some reason you believe that we should trust the playerbase to not take advantage of ACT in it's fullest once if it is "approved".

You assume a lot. You should stop. It is making you look ridiculous. ACT just shows your DPS and the damage of others. This addon called Cactbot is the part of ACT that can be downloaded and added into ACT. That is the part that is really the discussion happening here. If someone buys a hammer and runs off to kill someone with it are you gonna witch hunt the owner of that store and ask that he be punished as well. You can't go after the store just cause the hammer came from them. In simple english you can go after ACT cause Cactbot works though it. That is dumb. And to honest no one should even know that you have ACT unless that person is a dumb @ss and telling everyone they are using it.

[IdowhatIwant]

If you don't know what it does, then you really shouldn't have such a dismissive tone towards these tools, towards those that find it an issue.

Moving that aside though, in terms of how it impacts the overall playerbase, I would point to WoW for this. A situation formed where you had high end raiders using a program similar to CB called DBM. DBM diminished the encounters to such an extent, that raids were becoming "not difficult" in the eyes of the raiding community. WoW devs then, to appease this community, began developing harder content with DBM in mind, and this lead to raiding eventually requiring DBM because it was overtuned otherwise. Mechanics increasing to such a difficulty, ostracized larger portions of the community including the raiding base. Recruitment party standards rose to levels that only some of the most dedicated could arrive at, which for WoW is a cluster of systems that govern character progression that all need to be maintained.

That's how a program that just does "callouts" will affect everyone. DBM was one of the many reasons WoW's raiding community devolved to what it is now, and in their case, the devs seemingly embraced it. If you tried to get into raiding in WoW right now from a completely vanilla character, even knowing the best optimization with tools like DBM, it would still take a significant amount of time to be "decent" enough to participate in groups. Were talking months here, largely because the encounters are now overtuned.

Because I assume a majority of you are stupid. And from the things I see posted on here, and what I have seen in game, it has only proven my assumptions.

So when you tell me an add on does something, I assume it is someone that is talking a bunch of bs, until proven other wise. As you are once again relating the same tired thing that DBM ruined WoW, but this isn't true. WoW devs ruined WoW by building the game around DBM. FFXIV fights are far to scripted for DBM style add on to ever truely make a large enough difference for the content to be overtuned, as it is already undertuned with out it.

[Estariel]

The WOW-Devs had to build the raids around DBM, because it was enforced to use DBM by a lot of raid-guilds. I was there, I was forced.

And if FFIV Ex, Savage and Ultimate are already undertuned, why do you need addons?

[Deedlit]

Japanese players hate mods/addons in general, like really really much. The only addon that seems to be widespread tolerated under the JP playerbase are shader tools.

Only reason i can think of why that is is cause they feel like it's disrespectful to the work of the devs and that it devalues the game, which asian players are really crazy about. They are really into status symbols like limited public (not fully instanced, like a own zone for every player) housing and the ultimate weapons and all that.

So i feel like this whole mess has come down now to a kind of cultural clash between JP and the western world which are much more liberal about the use of third party tools. Question is if SE sticks with their JP playerbase even tho it is by now significantly smaller than the NA/EU playerbase or if they cut western players finally some slack.

Meanwhile 5ch has an entire thread dedicated to setting up Dalamud. But ok.

[Havenchild]

You assume a lot. You should stop. It is making you look ridiculous. ACT just shows your DPS and the damage of others. This addon called Cactbot is the part of ACT that can be downloaded and added into ACT. That is the part that is really the discussion happening here. If someone buys a hammer and runs off to kill someone with it are you gonna witch hunt the owner of that store and ask that he be punished as well. You can't go after the store just cause the hammer came from them. In simple english you can go after ACT cause Cactbot works though it. That is dumb. And to honest no one should even know that you have ACT unless that person is a dumb @ss and telling everyone they are using it.

The only one who looks ridiculous is you, making the assumption that people won't utilize all aspects of ACT as many ALREADY DO. Let's not play dumb, I'd like to value your intelligence slightly more than you're letting on. CB is not that far removed from ACT to sit there and say "Oh this isn't gonna be an issue." You can literally download the plugin from within ACT so again stop going for the intellectually dishonest play here. It is not that hard to setup and you know that as fact if you are the smart individual you seem to be on the subject. Approving ACT IS approving "ACT" and ALL of it's expansive utility. It is not JUST a calculator. Stop the lies already.

So when you tell me an add on does something, I assume it is someone that is talking a bunch of bs, until proven other wise. As you are once again relating the same tired thing that DBM ruined WoW, but this isn't true. WoW devs ruined WoW by building the game around DBM. FFXIV fights are far to scripted for DBM style add on to ever truely make a large enough difference for the content to be overtuned, as it is already undertuned with out it.

So basically you comment on topics you have no knowledge about. Cool story.

I, on the otherhand was present in WoW when DBM became more widely accepted during the turn of Legion and Wrath and recognized by the devs. To argue that DBM was not (as I stated and you neatly left out) ONE of the reasons the WoW raiding community suffered is asinine and clearly you have no knowledge on that subject either. You don't really need my opinion on it, you can take the COUNTLESS content creators who raided the content as well. It is by an large an accepted reality amongst other things. DBM is damn near a requirement nowadays even if it was possible to clear some of the content without it (it is) but good luck finding a group like that. I would argue between DBM, the PTR and the devs catering to the raiding commmunity (amongst an invisible arms race, which Ion acknowledged in a recent interview with Asmongold btw) this lead to that tuned aspect of WoW Raiding suffering severely. Among clan divides that have gone on for far too long, the raiding community on some alliances on some servers have outright diminished. It's only now that they are getting rid of allegiances that things will improve but yeah it was/is a major issue they have no control over anymore.

[Darksummoner]

The only one who looks ridiculous is you, making the assumption that people won't utilize all apects of ACT as many ALREADY DO. Let's not play dumb, I'd like to value your intelligence slightly more than you're letting on. CB is not that far removed from ACT to sit there and say "Oh this isn't gonna be an issue." You can literally download the plugin from within ACT so again stop going for the intellectual dishonesty play here. It is not that hard to setup and you know that as fact if you are the smart individual you seem to be on the subject. Approving ACT IS approving "ACT" and ALL of it's expansive utility. It is not JUST a calculator. Stop the lies already.



So basically you comment on topics you have no knowledge about. Cool story.

I, on the otherhand was present in WoW when DBM became more widely accepted during the turn of Legion and Wrath and recognized by the devs. To argue that DBM was not (as I stated and you neatly left out) ONE of the reasons the WoW raiding community suffered is asinine and clearly you have no knowledge on that subject either. You don't really need my opinion on it, you can take the COUNTLESS content creators who raided the content as well. It is by an large an accepted reality amongst other things. DBM is damn near a requirement nowadays even if it was possible to clear some of the content without it (it is) but good luck finding a group like that. I would argue between DBM, the PTR and the devs catering to the raiding commmunity (amongst an invisible arms race, which Ion acknowledged in a recent interview with Asmongold btw) this lead to that tuned aspect of WoW Raiding suffering severely. Among clan divides that have gone on for far too long, the raiding community on some alliances on some servers have outright diminished. It's only now that they are getting rid of allegiances that things will improve but yeah it was/is a major issue they have no control over anymore.

Sweetheart you are the epitome and prime example of those who Witch Hunt without knowing what the hell you are talking about. So what I am going to do is stay the hell away from you. At this point You already have your crazy and narcissist heart set on who you think are the issue of FFXIV. So my next step for you is putting you on Ignore and moving on with the next person to talk to in this post. Hope to never see you around...BYE

[EnnCee]

just go play the game and enjoy it; stop whinging on the forums constantly.

[TitanWomen]

I agree with you 100% Your Excellency.