Suggestion: Nerf Airships/Workshops

[Nepentha]

Two, make it so that you can only own ONE free company house per account.

What is it with people saying 1 per account these days. How about instead we have SE provide enough housing that it doesn't matter. In SWTOR I own every available property you can own, permanently, even if I stop playing for 7 years and then return it will still be there. And no one cares I am a multi-home owner because everyone has the same sort of access on their own accounts provided they have the cred to unlock it all.

Which is ultimately what irritates me about this. Everyone wants things taken away from everyone else. (Up until you get yours, then you will abruptly stop caring.) How about instead we press SE to provide enough for everyone.

[Risvertasashi]

What is it with people saying 1 per account these days. How about instead we have SE provide enough housing that it doesn't matter. In SWTOR I own every available property you can own, permanently, even if I stop playing for 7 years and then return it will still be there. And no one cares I am a multi-home owner because everyone has the same sort of access on their own accounts provided they have the cred to unlock it all.

Which is ultimately what irritates me about this. Everyone wants things taken away from everyone else. (Up until you get yours, then you will abruptly stop caring.) How about instead we press SE to provide enough for everyone.

And then asking for stuff like the lottery makes SE feel justified in locking out owners from all but a very small portion of housing because "Well, everyone has an equal shot in the lottery."

I agree that there really needs to be less asking for concessions and more asking why one of the biggest and most popular MMOs has the worst housing system of the top 20 and then some.

[Nepentha]

And then asking for stuff like the lottery makes SE feel justified in locking out owners from all but a very small portion of housing because "Well, everyone has an equal shot in the lottery."

I agree that there really needs to be less asking for concessions and more asking why one of the biggest and most popular MMOs has the worst housing system of the top 20 and then some.

The lotto is a stop gap. A Band-Aid. Something to use in the interim while they re-evaluate housing and figure out how to make it available to everyone. I don't care if this is building a new housing system from the ground up (that's instanced), re-thinking Island Sanctuaries to make them personal housing, or something else. But they absolutely cannot continue like this. The wards take too much by way of resources, and the game is too popular to continue with the housing situation as it is.

Putting up barriers, restricting how many one can own, etc and are not a permanent solution and shouldn't be thought of as such.

[DamianFatale]

The lotto is a stop gap. A Band-Aid. Something to use in the interim while they re-evaluate housing and figure out how to make it available to everyone. I don't care if this is building a new housing system from the ground up (that's instanced), re-thinking Island Sanctuaries to make them personal housing, or something else. But they absolutely cannot continue like this. The wards take too much by way of resources, and the game is too popular to continue with the housing situation as it is.

Putting up barriers, restricting how many one can own, etc and are not a permanent solution and shouldn't be thought of as such.

I just want to reiterate that no one knows if Island Sanctuary will actually have housing. The devs even hinted to temper our expectations, so I'm leaning toward it not. I really hope to be wrong, but the community has grabbed that update by the balls, and assumed so hard that Island Sanctuary will be the solution everyone is hoping for.

I'm actually legit scared of the community response when its not the thing people wanted. The forums were bad enough with the modding controversies, and the lottery glitches. Imagine months upon months of built up excitement that the devs didn't even plan on delivering, suddenly steeping to a sudden standstill, because everyone made up rumors that weren't reality.

Be careful, I know this fanbase won't, but don't say I didn't warn you.

[Greyhawk]

I just want to reiterate that no one knows if Island Sanctuary will actually have housing. The devs even hinted to temper our expectations, so I'm leaning toward it not. I really hope to be wrong, but the community has grabbed that update by the balls, and assumed so hard that Island Sanctuary will be the solution everyone is hoping for.

I'm actually legit scared of the community response when its not the thing people wanted. The forums were bad enough with the modding controversies, and the lottery glitches. Imagine months upon months of built up excitement that the devs didn't even plan on delivering, suddenly steeping to a sudden standstill, because everyone made up rumors that weren't reality.

Be careful, I know this fanbase won't, but don't say I didn't warn you.

But, yeah we do know.

If that were taking the place of housing, then the Firmament and Ishgard Restoration wouldn't have been as big of a chore as it was when we built it back.

• The lottery would not have been put into place just before an instanced housing solution, or even an option.
• Housing being such a hot topic, I believe that they would have announced it after such a debacle with the zero lottery bug, which wouldn't have been a thing if Island was housing in the first place.
• Yoshi-P is against non-neighborhood housing - frankly something he needs to get over, because it's not about what he wants, it's about what his player-base would want to continue being successful.
• Yoshi-P already stated to curb expectations about Island Sanctuary. Yes, we could place buildings and some housing type furnishings, which would be like a garden shed or something maybe like a dog house for minions. This != housing.

And, hey, color me surprised if it actually was housing. It would just prove that they had the capability to instance housing like we have been asking for - for what, 4 years or so now? But that would just make them look so bad.

[Corvus_V]

But, yeah we do know.

If that were taking the place of housing, then the Firmament and Ishgard Restoration wouldn't have been as big of a chore as it was when we built it back.

• The lottery would not have been put into place just before an instanced housing solution, or even an option.
• Housing being such a hot topic, I believe that they would have announced it after such a debacle with the zero lottery bug, which wouldn't have been a thing if Island was housing in the first place.
• Yoshi-P is against non-neighborhood housing - frankly something he needs to get over, because it's not about what he wants, it's about what his player-base would want to continue being successful.
• Yoshi-P already stated to curb expectations about Island Sanctuary. Yes, we could place buildings and some housing type furnishings, which would be like a garden shed or something maybe like a dog house for minions. This != housing.

And, hey, color me surprised if it actually was housing. It would just prove that they had the capability to instance housing like we have been asking for - for what, 4 years or so now? But that would just make them look so bad.

They have had the capabilities. People who say they don't are making excuses for them because they either already have a house, don't care, or are overly empathetic to SE for no reason. Even the insistence that "Well, how do you know" is bs.
If theoretically, every person in every FC bought an FC apartment, and/or a regular apartment, the servers wouldn't crash, but having instanced houses would? Give me a break. If that was the case, they would have accounted for that when they allowed us to do all that. The servers can handle it. This is part of some stupid, dogshit vision that someone came up with and refuses to budge on, and probably because it would cost money to develop. That's it. It's less of a problem in Japan, it's less of a problem virtually anywhere and everywhere else, so we have to just deal with it because we're crammed into smaller data centers (which, again, they could expand, but wont.) so we're conveniently tucked away where we can't disrupt anyone else's play experience meaningfully.

I'm actually literally only here just because my friends are subbed, but I basically just AFK until people ask me to do things. I spend most of my time playing other things and it's a total waste of time and money and until everyone else realizes how poorly they're being treated it wont change. They need to fail, or they will never learn; because they don't read the forums, they never read any feedback posted here and actually reply, or acknowledge it in any capacity here; outside of the obvious things no one can ignore like the server outright shutting down or the login queues. I've always felt just so mind-boggling confused at how anyone can look at the amount of effort put into this game, vs how much they get in subs, and say it's even a half decent investment. Literally just go to the marketboard and see how many individual items you can find that aren't rehashed models throughout all the levels. Then consider the fact that they rehash those models for other classes. They literally don't even make unique armor. Something people make in their spare time, for fun. It makes them look awful and no one ever talks about that. People in general don't seem to talk about how little they do for the game in general

I would literally bet real money that Island Sanctuaries isn't going to have any of the shit people want it to have; because people aren't flipping out about it in Japan. Actual money on a bet that any delay has absolutely nothing to do with them chasing anyone here's expectations, (because they do not and have never ever cared about what anyone here thinks) and that it's 100% just due to them not having funding or working on something else entirely, like FFXVI; or Guardians of the Galaxy or some other Marvel crap that they paid licensing for.

[Nepentha]

I just want to reiterate that no one knows if Island Sanctuary will actually have housing. The devs even hinted to temper our expectations, so I'm leaning toward it not. I really hope to be wrong, but the community has grabbed that update by the balls, and assumed so hard that Island Sanctuary will be the solution everyone is hoping for.

I'm actually legit scared of the community response when its not the thing people wanted. The forums were bad enough with the modding controversies, and the lottery glitches. Imagine months upon months of built up excitement that the devs didn't even plan on delivering, suddenly steeping to a sudden standstill, because everyone made up rumors that weren't reality.

Be careful, I know this fanbase won't, but don't say I didn't warn you.

Reading comprehension is an important skill to hone. No where in there did I say that's what Island Sanctuaries will be. I'm well aware that as of right now we're being asked to temper expectations.

I said:

re-thinking Island Sanctuaries to make them personal housing

In a laundry list of things SE can and should think about doing to improve the housing situation to make it something everyone has access to.

[Risvertasashi]

The lotto is a stop gap. A Band-Aid. Something to use in the interim while they re-evaluate housing and figure out how to make it available to everyone. I don't care if this is building a new housing system from the ground up (that's instanced), re-thinking Island Sanctuaries to make them personal housing, or something else. But they absolutely cannot continue like this. The wards take too much by way of resources, and the game is too popular to continue with the housing situation as it is.

Putting up barriers, restricting how many one can own, etc and are not a permanent solution and shouldn't be thought of as such.

I'd love to believe this but I haven't seen any indication from SE that they ever plan to provide sufficient housing...

[Hasrat]

I'd love to believe this but I haven't seen any indication from SE that they ever plan to provide sufficient housing...

Not necessarily sufficient, and naturally will only suffice temporarily, if at all, but do keep in mind we've got entire new data centers coming down the pipeline to spread out populations and ease up the pressure for NA and EU.

[Jojoya]

Not necessarily sufficient, and naturally will only suffice temporarily, if at all, but do keep in mind we've got entire new data centers coming down the pipeline to spread out populations and ease up the pressure for NA and EU.

That's assuming players are willing to transfer to those worlds.

EU might work out since the new worlds this summer will be going to the existing data centers.

NA is going to be a hard sell with the new worlds going to a new data center. Materia was a harsh lesson and NA players will lack some of the incentives the OCE players had (lower ping, creating a local community).

With housing likely to be withheld for months as we saw with Materia and Spriggan/Twintania, what's the point of transferring?