Suggestion: Nerf Airships/Workshops

[Nepentha]

The level of effort has nothing to do with it. More than likely it's something that's been automated by the RMT crowd so they don't really care how much effort is involved. After a certain amount of time they'll be making even more effortless gil. The best part is that it's an activity that is normally invisible to other players which means there's nobody to report them. And that makes FC housing so very attractive to them.

While decoupling workshops from FC housing won't stop the RMT it will remove one of the supply stressors by making housing less attractive for RMT purposes. It would also be a huge QoL fix for FC's struggling to even get a house.

If Square was serious about combating RMT the high value vendor trash from voyage returns needs to be nerfed.

The problem with this line of thinking is a misunderstanding of what RMTers prefer. They don't want to spend months waiting for subs to be at the point they can farm for vendor trash. It's a huge time and gil sink to get those subs up and running. And you can't speed it up or automate it. RMTers want fast in, fast out, and that is why most of them use bot software to automate their operations (gathering, crafting and previous to 6.1, camping housing placards), and why they sold houses before 6.1. Fast in, fast out, money in the bank and not sitting there possibly losing value or the account holding it being banned.

[DeNada]

Even if it's not RMTers who are building subs, it doesn't detract from the point that houses are being hoarded in the tens or even hundreds by one single player account (40 FC houses * 4 regions = 160 FC houses per account).

There are several hoarders who are just utilizing this method to get gil and this massive influx of gil can lead to market manipulation which hurts ordinary players, not to mention these houses end up being locked away from other players who want them for their intended use.

[Jojoya]

The problem with this line of thinking is a misunderstanding of what RMTers prefer. They don't want to spend months waiting for subs to be at the point they can farm for vendor trash. It's a huge time and gil sink to get those subs up and running. And you can't speed it up or automate it. RMTers want fast in, fast out, and that is why most of them use bot software to automate their operations (gathering, crafting and previous to 6.1, camping housing placards), and why they sold houses before 6.1. Fast in, fast out, money in the bank and not sitting there possibly losing value or the account holding it being banned.

Professional RMT wants rapid turnover, of course.

What about the hobbyists using it as a way to generate a little extra income on the side? Player to player RMT "under the table" has been a thing in MMOs all along. They're not going to be deterred by the short term investment and effort because it's just a hobby.

Even if it's not RMTers who are building subs, it doesn't detract from the point that houses are being hoarded in the tens or even hundreds by one single player account (40 FC houses * 4 regions = 160 FC houses per account).

There are several hoarders who are just utilizing this method to get gil and this massive influx of gil can lead to market manipulation which hurts ordinary players, not to mention these houses end up being locked away from other players who want them for their intended use.

The standard subscription is 40 characters total per account, not per region, so it would cap at 40 FC houses per account. That's still a considerable number for the hoarders to work with, of course.

[Nepentha]

Professional RMT wants rapid turnover, of course.

What about the hobbyists using it as a way to generate a little extra income on the side? Player to player RMT "under the table" has been a thing in MMOs all along. They're not going to be deterred by the short term investment and effort because it's just a hobby.

In this instance, SE would have to actually, yanno, research and act on their own ToS. Or like, read the reports that people send in, and handle the few cases of small time player run RMT operations.

Which... they aren't apparently willing to do.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[not_ya_wify]

I just want to reiterate that no one knows if Island Sanctuary will actually have housing. The devs even hinted to temper our expectations, so I'm leaning toward it not. I really hope to be wrong, but the community has grabbed that update by the balls, and assumed so hard that Island Sanctuary will be the solution everyone is hoping for.

I'm actually legit scared of the community response when its not the thing people wanted. The forums were bad enough with the modding controversies, and the lottery glitches. Imagine months upon months of built up excitement that the devs didn't even plan on delivering, suddenly steeping to a sudden standstill, because everyone made up rumors that weren't reality.

Be careful, I know this fanbase won't, but don't say I didn't warn you.

Sometimes I wonder if Island Sanctuary gets no demos and is being delayed to an unknown time because the devs were just building a personal mini version of the diadem where minions can run around and then saw the community latching onto it as the housing fix and now they are scurrying to add a housing functionality to it.

[Illmaeran]

Sometimes I wonder if Island Sanctuary gets no demos and is being delayed to an unknown time because the devs were just building a personal mini version of the diadem where minions can run around and then saw the community latching onto it as the housing fix and now they are scurrying to add a housing functionality to it.

I think this is a decent percent of the cause of the delay. Who knows if we'll get actual housing equivalent in function to what we have now though. If there's not housing at launch, I hope they've prepared the programming to accept it in future iterations.

Daddy need to make money on furnishings to make back what he's spent on his new house!

[KurohNeko]

As it stands, Airships are part of the biggest issues with housing. They are a motivation for people to hoard multiple free company houses on alts, and buy up wards for their airships. Airships need to be nerfed.

Start by making it so that people can have their own airship workshop in and out of free companies. Giving every single player the ability to have a custom airshop would go a long way at evening the market.

Two, make it so that you can only own ONE free company house per account. I know its tricky because of the systems in place. I get it, some of you might have alts in different companies, and if you have housing rights on those characters, it could get messy, but Square Enix needs to devise a way to fix this. Also make it so that you can't use multiple free company characters to buy out a house. Make it so that each free company only buy bid on one house at a time.

Three, Instanced airship workshops that are separate from housing, and maybe even workshops for personal houses would do a lot for nerfing these. Making it accessible for all would go a long way. Every player should be entitled to have their own airship. We are the hero of the world for mog sake. We should all get a stake in the content.

No. Simply because of my profits. *twirls non-existent moustache*

[Lachesia]

You realize that people can't hoard multiple FC houses on alts right? It's literally with the lottery settings, any characters on the same world cannot have more than 1 fc and 1 personal house per *account*. I learned that today when I tried to bid for an FC house relocation. I had to be logged into my alt that owned a personal house to bid on the FC relocation plot. None of my other alts were permitted to bid period. So your point is moot.

The only way they are able to get multiple plots is when multiple separate characters on separate accounts bid on various different houses, and the airship and submarines do little more than bring back some hard to find materials for housing projects.

Granted, people that are *grandfathered* into owning multiple houses in multiple wards. (I'm looking at YOU Mateus...) need to be dealt with to make it fair for everyone else.

[IvoryHawk]

tbh, airships are useless, subs are where the gil is at

[Jojoya]

tbh, airships are useless, subs are where the gil is at

Airships are still the only source of a few popular items like Fine Alumen and Oriental Grass Tuft so they aren't useless. I would agree that subs are a more consistent source of gil if you're just after gil and not specific items.