Third party software

[dan_alexandre]

Well you're assuming that, FFXIV's Raiding scene, is so unique, that any previous experience in any other MMO's should be ignored, because, of that high horse you seem to be riding.

But you're right, man, I couldn't possibly know what I'm talking about, from any other source.

It is a different game designed by the devs to be cleared without addons, they test internally and they only release content that they have proven internally that can be cleared.

I get that some experience can translate to other MMOs but you may be missing nuances here

Edit:
To your earlier point, I don't think you're necessarily wrong regarding some people looking for the easier path, assuming I understood correctly what you were saying but I don't think that's the majority, think most people just look for nice things to have most of the time.. be it looks or something easier to see, smaller convenience stuff.

Edit 2:
If you look at it, part of the fun in this game for many is figuring stuff out, I'm not entirely sure that is the case with WoW with exception to World first raiders perhaps? I may be completely wrong in this but I am assuming that even new players that want to join now, first thing they're told from their friends is to download some UI, DBM and some weak auras. That is a completely different experience, they get to the boss and have stuff telling them things to do from the start and the fun is probably reacting to it instead of figuring it out.

If I am wrong in this, fairplay, I'm not a WoW raider. However the feeling i get from the raiders i know in this game is different, it not about getting stuff told to you automatically in real time for most I know, they just want to see stuff better for most part so they keep track of things. (Buffs/debuffs etc)

[HolyReign]

It is a different game designed by the devs to be cleared without addons, they test internally and they only release content that they have proven internally that can be cleared.

I get that some experience can translate to other MMOs but you're missing nuances here

Could you point out any, "Nuances." that I am missing?

Because from my experience, the Raids are very alike.

1. Know your rotation, synergize your burst windows with raid buff windows.
2. Understand how to identify mechanics, how to avoid them, and what your role is in them.
3. Don't be dumb, and stand in crap, infront of crap, or where crap is being thrown, this will help your support not needing to heal you because you've avoided unnecessary damage.
4. Follow your Raid leaders orders.

Ect.

Content isn't as complex as people make it out to be, that warrant the need to use any addons/mods or 3rd party programs. Game has it's problems, but, creating problems that aren't as bad as people make them out to be, to justify the use of things, that are very clearly stated to be against ToS.

[dan_alexandre]

Could you point out any, "Nuances." that I am missing?

Because from my experience, the Raids are very alike.

1. Know your rotation, synergize your burst windows with raid buff windows.
2. Understand how to identify mechanics, how to avoid them, and what your role is in them.
3. Don't be dumb, and stand in crap, infront of crap, or where crap is being thrown, this will help your support not needing to heal you because you've avoided unnecessary damage.
4. Follow your Raid leaders orders.

Ect.

Content isn't as complex as people make it out to be, that warrant the need to use any addons/mods or 3rd party programs. Game has it's problems, but, creating problems that aren't as bad as people make them out to be, to justify the use of things, that are very clearly stated to be against ToS.

Nothing i disagree with there, please see the edits in the previous reply. I think the reply you got initially in previous pages was me missunderstanding your point about the need of addons, I think you were agreeing that there's no need after more careful read but i disagree in part regarding minimal effort and that's a culture thing, a nuance you may be missing. I added more to the reply in the 2 edits.

To my point: basically, I don't agree with the use of addons. I don't think they are needed or should be needed, i also don't think its a minimal effort issue in this game and people have a different approach than what you may think. I do think there are some nice haves from addons that may be missing from the base game, doesn't mean we should use addons but I can't help but think that some of that stuff would be nice to have. Glad they're going to do some effort to improve the UI.