3rd party tool go brrrrr

[DarkPursuer]

Why would I when I have you policing it for me. Thanks for the tips....that nobody asked for.

I SOOOO sorry that I can't play like the PC master race....in order for me to MEET your specifications to join your group I need to be better...I must be better...I should go buy a $3,000 PC....a $400 monitor...install a myriad of add ons so that I know when to be on the boss, and when to move 4 pixels to the left...so that I can get a 100% uptime....then have my parse uploaded so that I can show the world HOW F$(@#ING AMAZZZING I AM..... My god this literally is like talking to a end game WoW moron about only wanting people that can be galaxy brain players, and will kick ANYONE that makes the slightest mistake. Seriously the EXACT reason I hated playing WoW....end game was gated by these idiots that needed you to kiss the ring before you were "allowed" to get in a raid.

In fact...no...

I think I'll just continue to ignore everyone with their "tips" and continue to prog with the group of people that are having fun getting better at fights and learning them naturally.

[RobynDaBank]

Strategy guides don't tell you anything about your dps, whether you're improving on your dps or not, timers, ect. Yes people can clear without addons, doesn't mean we shouldn't have access to these addons. Btw console players have been doing parse runs too and just using other people's logs so they can run them through XIVAnalysis, but I guess we don't consider that? If console players could use 3rd party addons they absolutely would lol

I'm not "against" AddOns. Mostly addressing those people who say endgame can't be cleared without them and they're a "crutch" to those elite players.

[Padudu]

I'm not "against" AddOns. Mostly addressing those people who say endgame can't be cleared without them and they're a "crutch" to those elite players.

I'm just mostly saying strategy guides doesn't really apply when there's mechanics with tight dps checks. That's something a guide can't account for as that's just your own skill at that point. Tbh I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of console players just use other people's logs to gauge their own performance in their statics, but that's just me :shrugs:

[VerdeLuck]

The fact that these forums will dig through to find logs and drop them into xivanalysis whenever they disagree with someone really calls into question how much these tools really are for personal improvement.
Just amazing how fast people who say it's only for personal improvement and they only look up their own will reach for it when they get upset at someone. Honestly it's why they shouldn't ever have that functionality in game.

[Lufir]

The fact that these forums will dig through to find logs and drop them into xivanalysis whenever they disagree with someone really calls into question how much these tools really are for personal improvement.
Just amazing how fast people who say it's only for personal improvement and they only look up their own will reach for it when they get upset at someone. Honestly it's why they shouldn't ever have that functionality in game.

This is actually a very good observation.

[Padudu]

The fact that these forums will dig through to find logs and drop them into xivanalysis whenever they disagree with someone really calls into question how much these tools really are for personal improvement.
Just amazing how fast people who say it's only for personal improvement and they only look up their own will reach for it when they get upset at someone. Honestly it's why they shouldn't ever have that functionality in game.

Oh gee, I wonder if that's because people who don't do high-end raiding content are being overly critical of those who do, so when you go check their logs and confirm that they haven't even touched an extreme, let alone a savage, you find out that these people are criticizing you with absolutely no experience with the problem.

But yes, there are times when people are toxic with xivanalysis, that's true. But the majority of people want to use them for self improvement reasons, console players included, people who haven't ever touched the OF and mind their business.

[KariTheFox]

Hey, does anyone else remember the beginning of this tier, when after a wipe the screen would pretty much immediately fade to black, therefore making it almost impossible tell what caused a wipe without looking at third party tools?

[Wilford111]

How is this difficult? T_T

Go ahead and use third-party addons if you aren't intruding on someone else's gameplay experience. SE will never know unless you tell someone or broadcast it to the world.

I'm guessing it's because streamers have the loudest voice that people are so riled up about this. It's legitimately not a big deal. Streamers should know the risks they're taking by publicly breaking tos.

[Skiros]

Why would I when I have you policing it for me. Thanks for the tips....that nobody asked for.

I SOOOO sorry that I can't play like the PC master race....in order for me to MEET your specifications to join your group I need to be better...I must be better...I should go buy a $3,000 PC....a $400 monitor...install a myriad of add ons so that I know when to be on the boss, and when to move 4 pixels to the left...so that I can get a 100% uptime....then have my parse uploaded so that I can show the world HOW F$(@#ING AMAZZZING I AM..... My god this literally is like talking to a end game WoW moron about only wanting people that can be galaxy brain players, and will kick ANYONE that makes the slightest mistake. Seriously the EXACT reason I hated playing WoW....end game was gated by these idiots that needed you to kiss the ring before you were "allowed" to get in a raid.

In fact...no...

I think I'll just continue to ignore everyone with their "tips" and continue to prog with the group of people that are having fun getting better at fights and learning them naturally.

With this kind of attitude you're never going to clear any Ultimate.

[Skiros]

The fact that these forums will dig through to find logs and drop them into xivanalysis whenever they disagree with someone really calls into question how much these tools really are for personal improvement.
Just amazing how fast people who say it's only for personal improvement and they only look up their own will reach for it when they get upset at someone. Honestly it's why they shouldn't ever have that functionality in game.

Because people are sick of players who argue that are playing well without X or saying stuff like "hardcore raids can be cleared by disabled people" when they are objectively playing at a very poor level.

It's a good thing even if it's toxic because we are able to expose liars and hypocrites commenting on high end raiding without the chops to back it up, or worse, when they have clearly never engaged in that kind of content before.

I personally literally never call out these people otherwise.

A while back there was also a guy going around saying other players are shit while claiming to have Ultimate kills. Called Veis_Alvare or something. If we didn't have these tools we might have believed them. But no, one single simple search exposed them to be nothing but a liar.

I know people think this is toxic but I don't care. I despise people talking about issues way out of their depth.