Japanese FFXIV streamer receives a suspension for using add-ons.

[Punslinger]

If the rules are no addons and stupid people stream with them showing then they deserve a ban !!

Because rules are always just and never poorly-conceived or unevenly-enforced, right?

Having software that actively reads data from the game, especially data you shouldn't be able to see (other healer's cooldown times) is very obviously different.

How is it "data you shouldn't be able to see?"

Given: The game records your co-healer's use of Swiftcast in the combat log.
Given: Swiftcast has a known cooldown of fixed length.

Conclusion: You can look at the combat log and the elapsed time to determine the remaining cooldown. Or is subtraction a secret forbidden technique we're not supposed to understand? (Actually, given how much trouble people had with Construct 8...)

[Shurrikhan]

Or is subtraction a secret forbidden technique we're not supposed to understand?

Ogi: Hikisan
奥義: 引き算
Secret technique: Subtraction

Pruned before Samurai could even be released due to "cognitive bloat".

[VerdeLuck]

Because rules are always just and never poorly-conceived or unevenly-enforced, right?

The rules have always been this way
SE doesn't want you using addons, mods, or plugins period.
They have no way to know if you're using them unless you outright say it or stream it and someone reports you.
But again, they really do not want you using them and if a report comes their way from someone and it has concrete proof you were using an addon, mod, or plugin, they will ban you.
It's always been like this, they don't ban everyone because the only people who are banned are the people who are reported with concrete proof of using them, whether an admission connected to their character name, or by streaming it.
Complaining that there's uneven enforcement is silly because they do evenly enforce it when they have proof, most cases just don't have enough proof for them to act on it, and these streamers are offering the proof up on a silver platter by admitting on stream they're using it, going to use it, or by having them visible.

[IdowhatIwant]

Complaining that there's uneven enforcement is silly because they do evenly enforce it when they have proof, most cases just don't have enough proof for them to act on it, and these streamers are offering the proof up on a silver platter by admitting on stream they're using it, going to use it, or by having them visible.

But you are wrong about there has been even enforcement, specially seeing how people have been streaming with add ons turned on for almost 10 years now with 0 enforcement.
I just think it's kind of funny that he was banned for a dps meter and an add on to show buff timers under the buffs on the party list, SE bans him and says he we are going to add some of this stuff into the game.

[Punslinger]

and these streamers are offering the proof up on a silver platter by admitting on stream they're using it, going to use it, or by having them visible.

Counterpoint 1: Those streamers were only banned after a bunch of channers decided to brigade and witch-hunt them, going on a mass-reporting spree. Square doesn't actively monitor stream feeds to patrol for add-on usage. We know this because Square didn't bother banning these streamers before the mass-reporting. Which tells me that Square really doesn't give a toss about people using add-ons as long as it's not for harassment.

I'm not sure how to make it any clearer that it's Square allowing themselves to be weaponized as a form of harassment against streamers that's the problem here.

Counterpoint 2: Anybody playing copyrighted music using BRD performance actions is also "offering the proof up on a silver platter" when it comes to their ToS violations, since it's performed "in public" and in-game. Yet the same crowd that considers the ToS sacrosanct when it comes to add-ons is oddly silent about reporting these violations. Curious, especially given that Bard Music Player is an add-on specifically designed to facilitate this.

Counterpoint 3: Anybody posting pictures of their in-game home on Housingsnap or other websites, and showing off furniture placement that is only possible via glitches, is similarly "offering the proof up on a silver platter." Even without using BDTH to automate the floating process, even doing it by hand in-game is still technically exploiting bugs in the code. (Bugs that Square has left in the game for over half a decade now, likely because they're so heavily relied upon by interior decorators.) The only outrage over housing I see is that there isn't enough of it, and that the lottery was badly-coded. I've yet to see people calling for Shei Cloudbank's head over her tutorial videos showing people how to float furniture.

Counterpoint 4: Proportionality is important. Is an automatic 10-day ban for using a QoL UI improvement, like, say, chat bubbles, that has zero impact on the fairness of clearing raids, in any way proportionate to the severity of the "offense?" This is like a judge suspending your driver's license because a cop caught you doing 36 in a 35 zone. It's an inappropriately strong punishment.

Counterpoint 5: "If streamers didn't want to get brigaded, they should've worn a longer skirt just not streamed with add-ons," is a victim-blaming stance that justifies harassment on the mistaken belief that the target "deserves it."

[kaynide]

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That’s a lot of text trying to deflect.

Bottom line: billy got caught with his hand in the cookie jar. It is irrelevant who caught who. The GMs still have to investigate and find if the reports are true. And if they are, whoever is at fault should be punished. (I would even say filing a false report should be punishable).

Personally, I’d say let the mob weaponize away. The game has been doing just fine for 10 or so years and doesn’t need streamers to keep chugging along, let alone those who think they are above the rules.

If you want to report people playing music breaking the ToS, that’s your right- go for it.

Also, weird trying to parallel wearing a short skirt and using mods.

[BrokentoothMarch]

That’s a lot of text trying to deflect.

Bottom line: billy got caught with his hand in the cookie jar. It is irrelevant who caught who. The GMs still have to investigate and find if the reports are true. And if they are, whoever is at fault should be punished. (I would even say filing a false report should be punishable).

Personally, I’d say let the mob weaponize away. The game has been doing just fine for 10 or so years and doesn’t need streamers to keep chugging along, let alone those who think they are above the rules.

Also, weird trying to parallel wearing a short skirt and using mods.

The classical "I am going to not address any of the double standards or issues with rule vagueness and instead say I'm right over and over until the wall finally falls over" approach. I must say, does it ever work or does it just make you feel nice?

Since you're so hung up on objectivity, I'm sure you'll join me in my want to see the reporter's heads on a platter as they violated the report-brigading rule. After all, doing otherwise would expose you as disingenuous and you're not that, are you?

EDIT: Haha, I supposed I missed the part where you were all for the mob torching anyone they don't like despite that being, well, against the rules. I suppose they should only be enforced when you're not bearing the target? The OF always has it's share of gross people, I swear. Regardless. You seem to like when people get sniped and all but admitted to witch-hunting. I think it's clear for all to see you're either a troll or someone who can't be reasoned with. Enjoy whatever you came here for.

[Punslinger]

That’s a lot of text trying to deflect.

Thank you for summarizing your post in the first sentence. You made zero effort to address any of the points I raised.

[iluke77]

Because rules are always just and never poorly-conceived or unevenly-enforced, right?



How is it "data you shouldn't be able to see?"

Given: The game records your co-healer's use of Swiftcast in the combat log.
Given: Swiftcast has a known cooldown of fixed length.

Conclusion: You can look at the combat log and the elapsed time to determine the remaining cooldown. Or is subtraction a secret forbidden technique we're not supposed to understand? (Actually, given how much trouble people had with Construct 8...)

i got put in ffxiv jail once for a run in with some arsehole in a dungeon who reported me for swearing even though the arsehole baited me and was the cause pulling mobs constantly and being a absolute d..k ..

is that just or fair either way i got the ban and took it !!

my main account has been perma banned from the forums over same sex marriage argument that got heated back when the eternal bonding was introduced no names were called they singled out my 3 posts and warned me on all 3 and banned before i knew i even got a first warning on a post

is that fair id say no but it is what it is

they have to deal with the 1% that are such f..king idiots that go out of their way the ruin it for everyone !!

seriously how do they individualize every complaint every exploit every win swap every addon used on a day to day basis over how many millions of players ?

they dont these are the rules if your spotted ( like stupidly streaming them ) ban hammer simple !!

[Ransu]

then you kinda answered the million dollar question if it never gets brought up then whats the purpose of addons then !!

i find it kinda hard to believe in 8 years you have never been in a group that has not brought up dps or that of other players or maybe the groups have never used dps addons or are respectful which can be rare in ffxiv some times !!

The purpose is for end game to gauge dps checks and see your own personal performance. Most people that use parsers in end game don't give a damn about your performance in dungeons. I pugged end game content for years and no, I've never seen anyone ever bring up any mention of DPS numbers in PF or DF.

i got put in ffxiv jail once for a run in with some arsehole in a dungeon who reported me for swearing even though the arsehole baited me and was the cause pulling mobs constantly and being a absolute d..k ..

is that just or fair either way i got the ban and took it !!

my main account has been perma banned from the forums over same sex marriage argument that got heated back when the eternal bonding was introduced no names were called they singled out my 3 posts and warned me on all 3 and banned before i knew i even got a first warning on a post

is that fair id say no but it is what it is

they have to deal with the 1% that are such f..king idiots that go out of their way the ruin it for everyone !!

seriously how do they individualize every complaint every exploit every win swap every addon used on a day to day basis over how many millions of players ?

they dont these are the rules if your spotted ( like stupidly streaming them ) ban hammer simple !!

Sounds to me like you're the toxic one and got what you deserved. People using addons and minding their own business are not the problem, you are.