PvP,Whm,Drg etc..etc....

[Lufir]

If you think certain classes in CC is bad you should play Frontlines and get Bahamuh-bombed.

[AnnRam]

I can't confirm or deny any of that, but I can absolutely attest that SMN does tons of damage with Bahamut in FL. I regularly see 7+ SMN players on each 24-man team, and generally one of them will have the highest kill count and/or damage count. SMN mops up in PVP, especially in tight areas where it's hard to escape... because no matter what, there will be stragglers and they will be the first to be culled.

Yes having to deal with nodes where both Raids have to fight for it its almost impossible for melee jobs to even show their faces, SMN's are the most braindead job in pvp and their LB's needs a huge nerf like adding a 2-3 second casting so in that way they can't press their LB at the same time.

Actually people are just dumb, they keep walking straight in to SMN's LBs instead of dunno, baiting and when the Bahamuths are in stage proceed to counter.

[Veranolth]

Yes having to deal with nodes where both Raids have to fight for it its almost impossible for melee jobs to even show their faces, SMN's are the most braindead job in pvp and their LB's needs a huge nerf like adding a 2-3 second casting so in that way they can't press their LB at the same time.

Actually people are just dumb, they keep walking straight in to SMN's LBs instead of dunno, baiting and when the Bahamuths are in stage proceed to counter.

Yup. SMN LB in Frontlines is just too ridiculous.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

No idea who or what that is, sorry.



Ok probably not knockouts for SCHs, assists though yeah, they'll usually be up there. SMNs usually do end up with the most knockouts and with many assists. Could chalk it up to opposing teams being really dumb and not falling back which is honestly pretty common.

Another edit: I actually do think SCH is overtuned and this screenshot is proof that something is not right.

What the total damage dealt does not take account is, whether said damage lead to an actual knockouts or not, which is what matters more because it takes away their team’s progress & gives the killer/assistants battle highs. I’ve achieved a similar degree of total damage dealt myself but my total assists & kills weren’t as impressive because there wasn’t any actual killing blows. I would argue that the DRG & yourself in your screenshot are actually the greater threats than that SCH (kudos, btw!)

There was already a previous thread where I & other forum dwellers explained: Biospread ticks accumulates overtime. It rarely kills you off on its own. It does not cc you. It does not stop you on your track. It does not stop you from pressing Recuperate. It does not stop you from falling back. The best it can do is they make it easier for the SCH to farm assist kills due to the nature of assist kill conditions & the pack mentality that most Frontline participant has.

Any coordinated attacks are easily more lethal than anything in FL. See that WAR/RDM/WHM cc’ing your group with that DRG & AST coming over with their LB & Double Gravity+Macro? Yeah, whoever’s caught in the line of fire will probably be dead in next 3 seconds. SCH is more dependent for this sort of coordination than any other jobs, they need another player to go in for the kills.

[MintnHoney]

SCH Dots? Nothing a good Asp Benefic can't fix!
Unless it's an entire party of coordinated SCHs. In which case, you'd better be ready to recouperate every 3 seconds.

But otherwise Rein's correct in that coordinated attacks are what are truly lethal in PVP, and that's just the nature of PVP in general. CC is technically worse about this, just because a team with more experienced players will probably end up stomping the other team, regardless of team composition, due to a higher level of coordination.

[keichirou]

Anyone that thinks SAM is a threat now really doesn't know how to PVP
FL any nuke class is strong but really who care FL was bad since StB
The PVP have more competence then most Devs Ive seen in any MMO don't insult them these guys work hard to try to keep FF PVP alive even when people didnt even care
I laugh that the ones that dont know how to PVP the most complain about the most pointless of things plz nerf classes that dont need it
So Whm can stay god and yes the Devs will listen to your dumb comments as you can see with SAM

there's always one...
*puke*