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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    Another in-game counterpoint to this "literal malformed creatures" thing is Emet's own demonstration of the Sundering with Ryne. He produces a perfect copy of her, not a devolved blob – which surely would have been the quickest way to impart the sheer horror of what he had been through, if it is indeed what he had been through.

    I'm inclined to take it as unreliable narrator plus writing to convey in broad strokes for a non-FF audience plus possibly Ishikawa not checking the finer points of what the Echo can do, because that entire thing has been out the window for some time.

    The rules of what is the Echo and what is the blessing of Light got completely flipped sometime between being laid out in 2.X/3.0 and revisited in 5.X/6.0, and the lorebook descriptions are from that earlier era so I really don't know how much of it we can trust any more. We direly need a third lorebook to hammer all this out.




    That's an interesting way of looking at it too. If Emet, consciously or subconsciously, recoils from these sundered beings and refuses to see them as something he still can relate to, he can't connect to them and so reinforces his impression that they are in a worse state than they actually are.

    I think a lot of people don't want to admit that Emet... Well, he's sort of a racial supremacist. Shadowbringers is pretty obvious about it, with how much disdain he has for the Sundered, despite recognizing they are sapient beings. And even the subtext states this; he was directly responsible for Garlemald, who think Eorzea is full of "savages" and genuinely thinks genocide of the various tribal is entirely acceptable.



    Quote Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami View Post
    I have to say i find it a bit ironic that people talk about Emet lying or having a biased view meanwhile these same people are the ones who 100% trust venat/hydaelyn despite her lying and manipulating us far more and take her pity walk scene at face value without questioning it’s authenticity. Double standards i suppose…

    In the absolute worst possible interruption of what Venat did, she planetary genocide. Once. But that "genocide" birthed fourteen new worlds, each filled with sapient lifeforms. As in beings that were able to form cultures, create art, from languages.., Even if we take Emet at is word that he nudged them in that direction and believe that it wouldn't have developed without his help. And she only did it because if she didn't, the world would have literally be extinguished of all life.

    Now let's consider Emet's actions. He also committed planetary genocide. Eight times. Seven of those lead to an apocalyptic event on the Source which ended many more lives. He also created two brutally oppressive empires and while we don't know everything about the Allagans, Garlemald is built on a doctrine of racial supremacy. And he had nothing but contempt for the Sundered, finding them inferior beings, even another Unsundered was outplayed an inferior being.

    You can make the argument that Venat is bad. But Emet is much, much worse on every measurable level.
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    Last edited by DreadCrow; 05-11-2022 at 07:27 PM.