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    Quote Originally Posted by Veloran View Post
    I don't see that as being similar at all, in that dialog he's merely stating Zodiark's elemental alignment. A far cry from something like calling Hydaelyn "the Light of the future".
    Ok so if we’re going with her being objective then you’d agree that Hydaelyn is the light of the future then?


    Quote Originally Posted by Veloran View Post
    Why? They are wretched. They've literally been devolved into shambling animals.
    They’re human and even when they were incapable of speech they remained so. Through the calamity of wind, lightning, fire, earth, ice, water and darkness they remained so. Being “unable to from words” due to losing language, culture and knowledge doesn’t mean they lack the intelligence to do so and it certainly doesn’t make them “shambling animals.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Veloran View Post
    "Same scene slightly changed" is a very commonplace cinematic technique. The point is juxtaposition of elements in a timelapse, which is particularly evocative when you have a central figure that remains the same. This is literally a slideshow, they're doing their best here. The point is that even as mankind began to improve, Emet retained his impression of them as misbegotten creatures.
    Which should say everything about why taking him at face value is foolhardy. The man himself wouldn’t defend those statements at this stage, however deeply he still thinks his beliefs “inviolable.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Veloran View Post
    That is what Zodiark, Hydaelyn's actual target, ended up as. Could be the whole "torn apart" aesthetic is what happened to everyone's souls at first, but over time they healed and coalesced into more stable forms. This sort of thing would explain the similarity between shards as we have seen them now, in fact.
    My point is this is a tale from Emets pov, and the fact that there are discrepancies should provoke questions. I would’ve thought this would be something we can all agree on, given how discrepancies are used to dismiss the cutscene at the end of Elpis.

    Quote Originally Posted by Veloran View Post
    You mean the troll that is as intelligent as any human, way more than other trolls, to the point that it can not only understand human speech but can also read? I'm pretty sure this is a case of the exception proving the rule.
    Yes I do mean that troll. That troll proves as long as a being is capable of intelligent thought it can be understood with the echo, even if what physically comes out is gibberish. Much like the Sundered described in the event. I have no reason to think that if Emet sat down with the Sundered and tried to teach them their letters he wouldn’t be just as a successful as he would be teaching the troll.

    Quote Originally Posted by Veloran View Post
    We don't really know what proportion of aetherial density each shard ended up with, or how the souls of the people on each shard may have changed over time.
    There’s nothing to suggest the shards had an imbalance of aetheric density. The only one with more would be the Source post a Rejoining.
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    Last edited by EaraGrace; 05-11-2022 at 06:59 PM.