Japanese FFXIV streamer receives a suspension for using add-ons.

[Klytania]

You have a dismal opinion of other players, probably from browsing forums or reddit and, perhaps, hanging out with your own friend group. The vast, vast majority of the playerbase logs on, plays happily with their friends (or alone), and logs off at the end of the day without doing anything that violates the TOS, even without knowing what is in said TOS. Most players don't know about mods at all. Most players, especially in the age of Discord, don't type swear words "off the cuff" in a moment of ridiculous anger in a video game, whether at random strangers or otherwise, because one actually has to think the word and then choose to type it rather than just saying it.

Heck, even outside of the game, you can see that in, say, a grocery store, where people are rarely just randomly cursing in bouts of anger at strangers who happen to be choosing produce or whatever, and the people who are cursing randomly are recognized by everyone around them as... you know, kinda off, and tend to be avoided. They sometimes even get thrown out of the store.

Anyway, the vast, vast majority of players will never be banned or have their accounts actioned even if a malicious group of people report them; it's far more likely a group targeting an innocent player will all be actioned themselves.

It's time to stop making excuses for people who blatantly, recorded, and in public flout the rules.

The rules which were basically. "hey don't do this, but at the same time we won't do anything about it as long as you aren't toxic"

Then on a whim, they changed their mind and made an example out of some random streamer because people were crying about PvP and world first races.

[LittleImp]

And this may shock you, but people clear top end content without mods. It's doable. Shocking, I know. But there's even evidence. Go watch the countless streams that have done it.

Real talk, what's with the constant chanting of this line by people that don't even participate in that kind of content? Like what place of experience are you actually trying to speak from?

The reality is, when it comes to top-end content, the way is often paved by people making heavy use of third-party tools. Even if you don't use third-party tools yourself, A LOT of the information you interact with is derived by people who DO. Optimal rotation, mit charts, and even strats are frequently solved and troubleshot with the assistance of logging tools. A lot of groups vying for world first use these types of tools, and the difficulty of the content itself has evolved to reflect that.

Why do you need to know OTHER people's cooldowns? Other than to gripe at them?

I'm confident you don't raid if you don't understand why this is a useful thing to have.

[Klytania]

Real talk, what's with the constant chanting of this line by people that don't even participate in that kind of content? Like what place of experience are you actually trying to speak from?

The reality is, when it comes to top-end content, the way is often paved by people making heavy use of third-party tools. Even if you don't use third-party tools yourself, A LOT of the information you interact with is derived by people who DO. Optimal rotation, mit charts, and even strats are frequently solved and troubleshot with the assistance of logging tools. A lot of groups vying for world first use these types of tools, and the difficulty of the content itself has evolved to reflect that.



I'm confident you don't raid if you don't understand why this is a useful thing to have.

Let's all remember to thank our local modders for solving every ultimate (yes, all of them) and goading Square into finally adding some better UI in the future.

[Shurrikhan]

"Why does your car have a speedometer? If you're going fast you know it"

Estimated miles left? Why? You'll know when it's empty.

[Folsom]

The rules which were basically. "hey don't do this, but at the same time we won't do anything about it as long as you aren't toxic"

Then on a whim, they changed their mind and made an example out of some random streamer because people were crying about PvP and world first races.

That is not what happened, no. SE has never indicated that they condone blatant, recorded, public breaking of rules. Additionally, they've always noted that, while they don't look for such things, players should be discreet if they break the rules because they will respond to reports of violated rules.

Incidentally, this is exactly how complaint-based Code Enforcement works in most North American cities and counties, too (others do active code enforcement, but most don't have the money or time for that). You can break rules to your hearts content as long as your doing so doesn't bother anyone else. The moment it does, however, you get slapped with a fine, just like you get slapped with a suspension in game. Unsurprisingly, "but you haven't enforced this before" never works as an excuse for why you should be able to continue to break the rules there, either. The company and the municipalities don't write the rules for nothing, after all.

The solution is easy. Don't break the rules in public. If you can't manage that, enjoy the potential for having your account actioned, as everything thereafter is on you and you alone.

[Neoyoshi]

I know this is a running joke and all, but to be fair, with context in place we are probably more deserving of that award- because I've seen worse; so much more vile communities in other mmorpg's. xD

[kaynide]

Same rules, 0 enforcement until now. lol This entire situation is on SE and the player base, honestly.

I like to think it’s been more like:

SE: Guys, don’t do anything to force our hand. If you’re gonna use mods, for gods sake don’t tell anyone.
Rando Streamer blatantly uses mods
Rando mob reports
SE: G’d it guys, we said don’t do it
Rando Mob: OMG GMs don’t enforce da rulez! Wtf!
SE: …fine
SE bans
All hell breaks loose.

[Shurrikhan]

Why do you need to know OTHER people's cooldowns? Other than to gripe at them?

So, remember old Living Dead? Do you think it might be useful to know whether, say, your WHM's Benediction is on cooldown?

We're not even talking hardcore play, necessarily. It's just nice to be able to see, for instance, how long until the next Trick Attack (less important now that they're all 2 min), whether Hallowed Ground has come back up, etc., without each ability-user having to sacrifice the ability to queue one's those actions due to the game's hamstrung macro support in order to (annoyingly, in most cases) add bongo drums or the like to when their skills refresh.

Consider also:

• We used to be able to see many stacks of Aetherflow our SCH had. There was party list icon for it.
• We used to, to some degree, be able to see when a PuG co-healer was going to go for the heal or expected you to do so. There was a party list icon correlative to it (at least for its first 5 seconds).
• There is now far more information to be tracked than back then and greater expectation to act according to and within available windows and interactions, but also a lower percentage of that would-be information able to be tracked at all via the default interface.

[SwingLifeAway]

As usual, XIV community is conflating disingenuous points to justify their toxic "holier-than-thou" mentality.

Nobody is trying to argue that addons aren't against TOS, because the TOS is so vague, that you could argue a great many things (Discord being the popular example) are against TOS. However, there are clearly some addons which are purely QoL or used as a tool to measure self-improvement and provide data on what went wrong and how to correct it.

If you are someone who says that because it's against TOS it's warranted, you are willfully ignoring the toxic mentality of the mass reporting and pettiness that should be the real problem. But I guess being toxic is okay as long as it suits your agenda, right?

[Larirawiel]

So please try your strawman somewhere else.

Yoshi-P himself said, that programs like Discord, Excel & Co. technically touch the ToS. They are aware of it, that their ToS is very unsharp in this point and a huge grey area exists.


Cheers