Japanese FFXIV streamer receives a suspension for using add-ons.

[Matdredalia]

Have you literally ever raided Ultimate

Why do you need to know OTHER people's cooldowns? Other than to gripe at them?

Why do you need ACT? If you're putting out enough damage, you're going to know it. If you're not? You're going to know it.

If other people aren't? *They are going to know it.*

And this may shock you, but people clear top end content without mods. It's doable. Shocking, I know. But there's even evidence. Go watch the countless streams that have done it.

So. Again. Why do you need those numbers, in front of you, mid-combat? Other than to bark orders at other people.

[CaedemSanguis]

Why do you need to know OTHER people's cooldowns? Other than to gripe at them?

Why do you need ACT? If you're putting out enough damage, you're going to know it. If you're not? You're going to know it.

If other people aren't? *They are going to know it.*

And this may shock you, but people clear top end content without mods. It's doable. Shocking, I know. But there's even evidence. Go watch the countless streams that have done it.

So. Again. Why do you need those numbers, in front of you, mid-combat? Other than to bark orders at other people.

And why banning people for such tools ?

[kpxmanifesto]

Why do you need to know OTHER people's cooldowns? Other than to gripe at them?

Why do you need ACT? If you're putting out enough damage, you're going to know it. If you're not? You're going to know it.

If other people aren't? *They are going to know it.*

So. Again. Why do you need those numbers, in front of you, mid-combat? Other than to bark orders at other people.

I think tracking other peoples' CDs is for the purpose of coordinating efforts. Like if a tank doesn't have a defensive CD then the healers know to pay extra attention to that tank. DPS meters can show deficiencies in a specific player's DPS and can be an indicator that the player needs to improve in certain areas. I'd say these mods are more about situational awareness and improving one's abilities rather than just "barking orders at other people."

[Aelin_Ashryver]

I think tracking other peoples' CDs is for the purpose of coordinating efforts. Like if a tank doesn't have a defensive CD then the healers know to pay extra attention to that tank. DPS meters can show deficiencies in a specific player's DPS and can be an indicator that the player needs to improve in certain areas. I'd say these mods are more about situational awareness and improving one's abilities rather than just "barking orders at other people."

As a healer.. I literally just pay attn to my tanks. I know when they don't have their cds and roughly when I can expect it to be back up in the fight say if we are in savage (he used his 30% for x mech it should be back by y) , this all without communication. Simple voice chat and your tank can simply tell you.

Don't care either way if someone were to use a plug in to track those but honestly I find a lot of the plug ins just erase some simple skill checks the game asks of you. Such as the slide casting overlay that one streamer had in his video that was removed. Knowing WHEN you can slide cast and not f up your gcd is a form of skill expression that the overlay just erases. You don't need a brain you just need eyes staring at your cast bar waiting for it to go in the highlighted bit.
Similar story for cactbot call outs, esp ones when you cannot even see the in game tell yet. It's not like a raid leader at all, it is superior and removes yet more needed brainpower from you, dumbing down the game further. And again in everything but a world first race I don't really care. If it makes more content accessible to more people cool, but don't expect to use all these 3rd party aids to win a world race and still get a pat on the back when you had a dozen things supporting your prog that other teams did not. Being able to remember hidden mechs, see and react to other mechanics is part of the skill and they remove A LOT of that with 3rd party. Like one Zepla showed of a plugin making HIDDEN aoe's visible by adding in aoe markers that are not there normally in game.

PC players making the game significantly easier for themselves than console players and in world race context that is unacceptable to do if u seriously expect to take first place and get your thumbs up from Yoshida.

[Klytania]

Why do you need to know OTHER people's cooldowns? Other than to gripe at them?

Why do you need ACT? If you're putting out enough damage, you're going to know it. If you're not? You're going to know it.

If other people aren't? *They are going to know it.*

And this may shock you, but people clear top end content without mods. It's doable. Shocking, I know. But there's even evidence. Go watch the countless streams that have done it.

So. Again. Why do you need those numbers, in front of you, mid-combat? Other than to bark orders at other people.

"Why does your car have a speedometer? If you're going fast you know it"

[Shurrikhan]

"Why does your car have a speedometer? If you're going fast you know it"

Estimated miles left? Why? You'll know when it's empty.

[LittleImp]

And this may shock you, but people clear top end content without mods. It's doable. Shocking, I know. But there's even evidence. Go watch the countless streams that have done it.

Real talk, what's with the constant chanting of this line by people that don't even participate in that kind of content? Like what place of experience are you actually trying to speak from?

The reality is, when it comes to top-end content, the way is often paved by people making heavy use of third-party tools. Even if you don't use third-party tools yourself, A LOT of the information you interact with is derived by people who DO. Optimal rotation, mit charts, and even strats are frequently solved and troubleshot with the assistance of logging tools. A lot of groups vying for world first use these types of tools, and the difficulty of the content itself has evolved to reflect that.

Why do you need to know OTHER people's cooldowns? Other than to gripe at them?

I'm confident you don't raid if you don't understand why this is a useful thing to have.

[Klytania]

Real talk, what's with the constant chanting of this line by people that don't even participate in that kind of content? Like what place of experience are you actually trying to speak from?

The reality is, when it comes to top-end content, the way is often paved by people making heavy use of third-party tools. Even if you don't use third-party tools yourself, A LOT of the information you interact with is derived by people who DO. Optimal rotation, mit charts, and even strats are frequently solved and troubleshot with the assistance of logging tools. A lot of groups vying for world first use these types of tools, and the difficulty of the content itself has evolved to reflect that.



I'm confident you don't raid if you don't understand why this is a useful thing to have.

Let's all remember to thank our local modders for solving every ultimate (yes, all of them) and goading Square into finally adding some better UI in the future.

[Shurrikhan]

Why do you need to know OTHER people's cooldowns? Other than to gripe at them?

So, remember old Living Dead? Do you think it might be useful to know whether, say, your WHM's Benediction is on cooldown?

We're not even talking hardcore play, necessarily. It's just nice to be able to see, for instance, how long until the next Trick Attack (less important now that they're all 2 min), whether Hallowed Ground has come back up, etc., without each ability-user having to sacrifice the ability to queue one's those actions due to the game's hamstrung macro support in order to (annoyingly, in most cases) add bongo drums or the like to when their skills refresh.

Consider also:

• We used to be able to see many stacks of Aetherflow our SCH had. There was party list icon for it.
• We used to, to some degree, be able to see when a PuG co-healer was going to go for the heal or expected you to do so. There was a party list icon correlative to it (at least for its first 5 seconds).
• There is now far more information to be tracked than back then and greater expectation to act according to and within available windows and interactions, but also a lower percentage of that would-be information able to be tracked at all via the default interface.

[Ransu]

Why do you need to know OTHER people's cooldowns? Other than to gripe at them?

Why do you need ACT? If you're putting out enough damage, you're going to know it. If you're not? You're going to know it.

If other people aren't? *They are going to know it.*

And this may shock you, but people clear top end content without mods. It's doable. Shocking, I know. But there's even evidence. Go watch the countless streams that have done it.

So. Again. Why do you need those numbers, in front of you, mid-combat? Other than to bark orders at other people.

1.) The obvious answer is likely to track buff windows.

2.) Whether you think players "need" ACT or not, knowing the statics DPS numbers is still a helpful tool in a game with hard locked enrage timers.

3.) How are they going to know its their DPS? Without a tool to point it out they have no idea if they are doing enough or not or if they need to adjust their rotation.

4.) Sure, but it doesn't hurt to have tools to help.

5.) This may come as a surprise to you, but the majority of people using these tools are in static groups. No ones using them to "gripe" at others, especially not in PF groups because they obviously know that mentioning it would immediately be actioned against their account, not for the tool but for harassment. The reason why WoW has so many problems is the lack of enforcement from players harassing others, not the tools themselves.