Ultimate finish video sheds light on cheating

[Shurrikhan]

Don't design content with incredibly tight DPS checks and then give players no way to know if they're actually executing correctly if you don't want things like ACT? I don't use it because I don't raid but it seems counterproductive to ban people for ACT when you've just released content where people need to know to perform optimally.

Oh, the irony. There's a constant complaint about the game being too easy.

The majority of the game, shocking though it may be, is not Ultimate.

Certain types of content are far less accessible than they otherwise would be specifically because of a lack of learning tools, including a higher difficulty floor across later levels' average content.

Requiring complaints made about specific content types to apply to the entirety of XIV's content is beyond disingenuous.

Yes, some content is made weirdly more difficult in awkward ways by, say, not having decent color differentiation for marked AoEs, by doubly punishing ping due to weird animation lock checks, by having less default information access than some pre-millennial MMOs, etc. Other content, simultaneously, is too easy because they just have so little going on and are so undertuned that what little exists can be safely ignored, which in turn makes much of the later content less accessible because there's minimal connection or intermediate steps between difficulty levels. The two qualities, each separately belonging to its own sets of content, are not mutually exclusive.






Edit (out of daily posts):

Everyone can agree bots are bad, your original statement in this thread and things you are claiming that have little to do with bots. There is 0 proof that any raid team uses bots, that is all speculation.

There are a couple bits of proof but thus far only of individual players using it for their own purposes (in place of actually playing), not by request/demand of their groups. Those groups are also far from any sort of competitive prog.

Here's one, for instance, though it's more an example of someone just using a bot to fill in a rarer missing role off of a job boost and some gear, without even having set up their keys. As a tank, though, it does not seem to have been particularly helpful...

[RitsukoSonoda]

How is that the issue? The actual issue is FFXIV doesn't have any common sense to develop a decent UI.

If anything we should be thanking add ons to finally get SE to listen to complaints people have had about the UI since ARR

That isn't an issue. It's an opinion. Countless people are clearing content with the UI provided by the game.

[QooEr]

That isn't an issue. It's an opinion. Countless people are clearing content with the UI provided by the game.

its both? its literally a cause and effect sort of deal. people being dissatisfied with the game functions will make them make addons. if they dont want people using them, then they need to add those functions into the game. SE themselves even recognized that.

for instance the games UI is honestly very lacking. tooltips are unintuitive, item tooltips dont show relevant information, the party list buffs are often a mess, i could keep going. yes i can clear the game in spite of the UI, but that doesnt mean the UI is excellent. by that logic nothing should improve ever

[Ashua]

How do you think people figured that out?
It's so insignificant, it shouldn't have mattered if it was in your definition of "cheating". It was their choice to think that they're lumped into a suggested group, "cheaters" as if it had any impact on anyone else who's doing specified content besides affecting the ears of people.

The same can be said for how you think the world first has issues. It's TOS breaking, supposedly, and nobody cared till it was DSR. It certainly did bring in attention that no one would've cared had SE taken action and instead continued on with prog.

What a joke on how it took an ultimate, bufftimers or cactbot for SE to actually drag people out of prog and suspend them when a person got away with streaming sprint and rotation scripts for the previous tier on twitch for several months and no one remembers what happened after besides them being purged and went on to another alt.

It's quite simple. Allot of work was put into developing a school just to be invalidated by means that goes against the tos of the game. Pure and simple.

[Ashua]

You forgot the worse of them. Bots. Yes. Bots were the downfall of wow. Yes. It is very prevalent here. Entire raid teams USE bots. Every third-party app pales in comparison to mmominion. It's the worst of the worst since it does all the cheating in one.

[Shadowshinra]

And you Ashua, may have just broken the TOS by mentioning that tool's name in public so good job there. "Any actions or public statements that promote use of third-party tools."

[IdowhatIwant]

That isn't an issue. It's an opinion. Countless people are clearing content with the UI provided by the game.

Just because people clear stuff with the base UI doesn't mean there are problems with the base UI... Do you take time to think about things?

It's quite simple. Allot of work was put into developing a school just to be invalidated by means that goes against the tos of the game. Pure and simple.

Your opinion, that seeing the timer under the buff on your party list is cheating when you can target the party member and see the buff timer. Hard to take your opinion with any merit when your opinions are that stupid.

You forgot the worse of them. Bots. Yes. Bots were the downfall of wow. Yes. It is very prevalent here. Entire raid teams USE bots. Every third-party app pales in comparison to mmominion. It's the worst of the worst since it does all the cheating in one.

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Everyone can agree bots are bad, your original statement in this thread and things you are claiming that have little to do with bots. There is 0 proof that any raid team uses bots, that is all speculation.

[eagledorf]

My 2c, the problem isn't UI or bots (well, bots do suck).

Add-ons like Cactbot are cheating. In the old days streamers had it actually place markers automatically and just followed where it told them to go. Square Enix thankfully figured that out and made markers stationary in combat, but Cactbot still can be seen telling streamers exactly where to go including reading memory data not shown in the battle log or elsewhere in the actual game. This is cheating, plain and simple and streamers using it should be banned.

Other add-ons like the 1-button combos are also cheating, though there is a valid argument that they make the game more friendly for the disabled and SE should consider eliminating button bloat. Nonetheless it's a cheat to be able to execute your entire combo with just 1 button, it's too bad SE hasn't tried to make the game more accessible

[Zaene]

My 2c, the problem isn't UI or bots.

Add-ons like Cactbot are cheating. In the old days streamers had it actually place markers automatically and just followed where it told them to go. Square Enix figured that out and made markers stationary in combat, but Cactbot still can be seen telling streamers exactly where to go including reading data not shown in the battle log or elsewhere in the actual game to say things like "East West safe". This is cheating, plain and simple.

Other add-ons like the 1-button combos are also cheating, though there is an argument that they make the game more friendly for the disabled and SE should consider reform to button bloat, it is nonetheless a cheat to be able to execute your combo with just 1 button.

I agree wholeheartedly. If there is a program that provides you with information that you could only obtain by experiencing the game, it provides an unfair advantage in comparison to people trying to play the game as intended.

Conveniences and fancy frills are fine.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Just because people clear stuff with the base UI doesn't mean there are problems with the base UI... Do you take time to think about things?

Still doesnt excuse going against ToS to fulfill your needs. I mean you can do whatever the hell you want, just dont be surprised if you happen to find yourself with a ban if you get caught.

Are there things I wish this game could improve? Absolutely, but its not my place to do the job for the devs, as a consumer my only interest is to provide feedback and play their game while adhering to the rules they've established.