Tale of Emet [FF14 x Nier Reincarnation event story]

[EaraGrace]

What if the reason why we're able to talk to that one specific troll is not a matter of intelligence but because it has a soul while the others don't? In the same way creations were granted their souls by the star maybe the animals we know in the post-sundering world don't have a soul by default.

So, with the immediate post-sundering humanity... What if the sundering left them soulless initially and the star eventually started granting souls back to humanity?

Sundering doesn’t strip anyone of a soul as far as we know, it divides. It strikes at everything that defines a target but leaves the actual thing alone. For it to strip someone of their soul would be to kill them, which doesn’t fit Emets description. I think this is where we recognize the bias of the narrator.

[Sicno]

Sundering doesn’t strip anyone of a soul, it divides. It strikes at everything that defines a target but leaves the actual thing alone. For it to strip someone of their soul would be to kill them, which doesn’t fit Emets description. I think this is where we recognize the bias of the narrator.

But the description of the state of post-sundering humanity goes waaaay beyond "leaving the actual thing alone". I don't think we can expect consistency anymore, only "being up to date with the latest retcons".

[EaraGrace]

But the description of the state of post-sundering humanity goes waaaay beyond "leaving the actual thing alone". I don't think we can expect consistency anymore, only "being up to date with the latest retcons".

Not a single word in the collab hasn’t already been stated by Emet in ShB. This is isn’t a retcon, this a characters perspective. Notice how the “malformed” souls are walking about in both images, they aren’t screaming for help or catatonic like you would see if they were stripped of their souls (we were shown what this looks like in the StB patch series). There’s little to suggest that’s what happened.

And Sundering itself would not strip anyone of language, it would be a wiping of memory that would do that.

[Sicno]

Not a single word in the collab hasn’t already been stated by Emet in ShB. This is isn’t a retcon, this a characters perspective. Notice how the “malformed” souls are walking about in both images, they aren’t screaming for help or catatonic like you would see if they were stripped of their souls (we were shown what this looks like in the StB patch series). There’s little to suggest that’s what happened.

Now that you mention it... on the one hand yeah, the scions were left in a deep slumber while their souls were dragged away. On the other hand... we have creatures like creations that were able to function before being granted a soul. How is it that losing a soul would leave them in such a state if it's not needed for a creature to function? This makes me question more things about the story and the lore.

But back to Nier, having someone narrate those events gives me the impression this is how things transpired and not "his version" or "how he perceived it". Sure, some of it may be colored by what pertains to him, but it's not him doing the description. So it should be less biased.

I'm thinking now they may not have been completely soulless but rather, their souls/aether may have have been thin and unstable for a while so not even the echo worked on them. That's still something pretty brutal to have faced. There was certainly no mercy.

[EdwinLi]

Now that you mention it... on the one hand yeah, the scions were left in a deep slumber while their souls were dragged away. On the other hand... we have creatures like creations that were able to function before being granted a soul. How is it that losing a soul would leave them in such a state if it's not needed for a creature to function? This makes me question more things about the story and the lore.

But back to Nier, having someone narrate those events gives me the impression this is how things transpired and not "his version" or "how he perceived it". Sure, some of it may be colored by what pertains to him, but it's not him doing the description. So it should be less biased.

I'm thinking now they may not have been completely soulless but rather, their souls/aether may have have been thin and unstable for a while so not even the echo worked on them. That's still something pretty brutal to have faced. There was certainly no mercy.

Well when it comes to how events are being told through storyteller's words, it is often either under exaggerated or over exaggerated compared to what really happened even if the storyteller is trying to describe the perspective of a individual for the story they tell. The process of how the sundered became what they are now could have been under exaggerated from what we are told in FF14 to a point it may have been far more horrifying to see to a point we may never truely comprehend how it was while some may have been over exaggerated due to bias views of certain characters and maybe done so for some flare to the story.

Heck, stories about WoL is often over exaggerated as we learn in FF14 so the people who only know WoL through stories being told to them often don't recognize him/her on first meeting either because of the stories maybe changing certain things, such as WoL's appearance, personality, events, and power, to a point the story is trying to give off a more negative view or positive view.