Tale of Emet [FF14 x Nier Reincarnation event story]

[sidurgu-12]

But I feel like this might be too farfetched, and the Nier story isn't fully canon, or this portion is just being interpreted wrong.

my interpretation is this is how emet saw things but its not what really happened.

[KizuyaKatogami]

my interpretation is this is how emet saw things but its not what really happened.

Sounds like an event similar then to that of a certain walk….*CUE THE ANSWERS THEME*

[Theodric]

my interpretation is this is how emet saw things but its not what really happened.

Nothing revealed contradicts what we've learned from characters other than Emet himself, though. We already learned all of this back in Shadowbringers.

At any rate, I think it fits in nicely with the idea of Venat being a Satan/Lucifer type figure.

[Kozh]

The exact wording used in this is stuff we've only ever seen from Emet's own perspective--in the soul crystal in Etched in the Stars, and in the Tales from the Shadows story with a bit of him as Solus. So this isn't an impartial external narrator, it's a third-party telling of Emet-Selch's perspective.

Meaning that it's not that they literally didn't know anything and couldn't say anything, it's that they fell below Emet's bar of 'being people'--a bar that even the Garleans didn't actually get over.

Leave it to you to twist it into emet's fault. Like Lurina said, if he who possess the echo couldn't understand what the sundered said, then it means the sundered doesn't have language to translate to. The echo wouldn't stop working just because we speak to what we deemed as lesser being.

[Lyth]

The story is consistent with what we've seen before, if you take it at face value as a creation myth. It's the Greek Titanomachy meets Eden meets Babel. Cronus' golden age ends with the Olympians overthrowing the Titans after a long battle and casting them out, with the Titans subsequently endlessly scheming on how to return to their former glory. Just gods being gods. Even the titanic struggle between Light and Dark was drawn out much more emphatically this time around.

[EdwinLi]

The story is consistent with what we've seen before, if you take it at face value as a creation myth. It's the Greek Titanomachy meets Eden meets Babel. Cronus' golden age ends with the Olympians overthrowing the Titans after a long battle and casting them out, with the Titans subsequently endlessly scheming on how to return to their former glory. Just gods being gods. Even the titanic struggle between Light and Dark was drawn out much more emphatically this time around.

Yoshi-P and the other story writers of FF14 do love the story of FF14 to be a greek tragedy.

Who knows what he and the other story writers may have planned for season 2 with this kind of love for this type of story.

[RyuDragnier]

Yoshi-P and the other story writers of FF14 do love the story of FF14 to be a greek tragedy.

Who knows what he and the other story writers may have planned for season 2 with this kind of love for this type of story.

Clearly, we must go Norse and have Ragnarok.

[MikkoAkure]

Leave it to you to twist it into emet's fault. Like Lurina said, if he who possess the echo couldn't understand what the sundered said, then it means the sundered doesn't have language to translate to. The echo wouldn't stop working just because we speak to what we deemed as lesser being.

Per the Eorzea Encyclopdia:

For those blessed with the power to transcend words, language no longer poses a barrier to intercultural communication. Voiced utterances fade and are replaced by an internal understanding of another's intentions.

Either Emet-Selch didn’t care enough, or the writers are changing the lore again. Both are probably true.

We’re able to communicate with a “smarter than average” troll that read a book but is still grunting and grrr-ing so I find it hard to believe the the newly sundered Ancients came out less evolved than a troll who discovered “language” on his own and taught himself to read. We can also understand that specific troll, but not other trolls, but that specific troll can talk to other trolls, implying that they have their own language the Echo doesn’t work on.

There’s also the Mandragora, who have their own language and culture that’s indecipherable to both us and the Ancients.

But previously the Echo was stated to connect souls together so that one may understand the other. If one with the Echo is unable to make a connection with someone else, they won’t understand.

[Lyth]

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The Titanomachy isn't a tragedy, though. The Greek gods aren't good or evil in the strict sense of the word. It's like trying to accuse a hurricane of being immoral. They do what they want and you try to stay out of their way, or you team up with a stronger god to take them on. Do I feel bad for Cronus? Not really, he knew how the game was played and he overthrew his own father, just as the Olympians later overthrew him. Do I feel bad for Emet? No, he all had a lifetime of being on the Convocation and was always willing to play the game with other people's lives to get what he wanted. That's just how they were. Turns out, he simply got outplayed by a savvier god, and in fairness, he was a good sport about it in the end.

[EdwinLi]

To me it looks like he recognises Azem's soul hue in the same scene from Shadowbringers, well before Ardbert rejoins us.

Shadowbringers:





Same scene from Nier:

I did enjoy this moment since it gives a bit more insight to what Emet was feeling during this time in Shadowbringer. A sad moment for certain since at this point he is already broken to a point despite recognizing Azem's soul fragment in WoL, he cannot see him other than just a broken soul from a time long past. When you pair this to the moment in the end of Shadowbringer when he finally see WoL as Azem, it reflects how a part of him actually did accept WoL as the new Azem due to how similar they are but his grief before this moment blinded him on a single path.