Been seeing a lot of doomsaying in forums/in-game lately

[Ranaku]

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Problem is that if the devs listen to the really small hardcore playerbase all the time then the other players get annoyed and complain. And it saddens me to tell you that but raiders ain't paying the bills here. Casuals do and especially those casuals which leave much money in the cashshop.

The game will never be perfect for every single player so if you are really unhappy then unsub and play a game that has a better focus on the content you enjoy, for example if you like raiding just go and play world of warcraft. There is no reason to cry for changes when you are obviously the minority and there is no need for the devs to change the game just to keep some few players, who just turn the game on once every 4 months to raid one evening, happy.

And we saw what the focus on raiding does to a game. WoW is struggling to keep casuals playing without the use of fomo tactics and stupid borrowed power systems that are just gigantic timesinks. They don't get that most gamers are indeed casuals and completely ignoring them leads to exactly what you fear for XIV with raiders, except that XIV does really well...like really really well.

And no i don't deny that XIV has problems, every game has problems. The thing is that a problem =/= denying a games core philosophy. If a game is basically made for casuals and a casual playstyle then it is really silly to jump into that game and scream for a change that is not needed nor wanted by the majority. Just play something else.

[Ralphe2449]

Problem is that if the devs listen to the really small hardcore playerbase all the time then the other players get annoyed and complain. And it saddens me to tell you that but raiders ain't paying the bills here..

I mean you can see the results of that in the current WoW design, for all their changes and "we were wrong, we changed" dev speeches nothing they ve changed actually benefits the average casual player, they are still given scraps and will keep getting scraps in the next xpac as well.

Simply because the devs have the mentality of "we have to treat raiders as speshiul" meaning no matter what they do, they cant give good things to casuals else their precious raiders will complain.

That is what happens when they listen to the loud screams of the forums and ignore the silent droves of people leaving which is why I am happy to see Yoshida doesnt just focus on whatever thing the forums scream about and cares for casual players who are not gonna bother argue or type in forums cuz they have better things to do.

[Nethereal]

There is no reason to cry for changes when you are obviously the minority

I'll be using this argument from now on whenever a minority group says anything.

"I don't care you're a minority your problems don't matter, just move."

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Oh I'm not ignorant. I do more content than you and it's not what I'm seeing but keep pushing your agenda. Healers need to heal in the duties I'm in including myself.

Show us the receipts.

[IdowhatIwant]

Problem is that if the devs listen to the really small hardcore playerbase all the time then the other players get annoyed and complain. And it saddens me to tell you that but raiders ain't paying the bills here. Casuals do and especially those casuals which leave much money in the cashshop.

The game will never be perfect for every single player so if you are really unhappy then unsub and play a game that has a better focus on the content you enjoy, for example if you like raiding just go and play world of warcraft. There is no reason to cry for changes when you are obviously the minority and there is no need for the devs to change the game just to keep some few players, who just turn the game on once every 4 months to raid one evening, happy.

And we saw what the focus on raiding does to a game. WoW is struggling to keep casuals playing without the use of fomo tactics and stupid borrowed power systems that are just gigantic timesinks. They don't get that most gamers are indeed casuals and completely ignoring them leads to exactly what you fear for XIV with raiders, except that XIV does really well...like really really well.

And no i don't deny that XIV has problems, every game has problems. The thing is that a problem =/= denying a games core philosophy. If a game is basically made for casuals and a casual playstyle then it is really silly to jump into that game and scream for a change that is not needed nor wanted by the majority. Just play something else.

The whole argument of raiders are the minority gets so old. Ultimates, have higher clear rates than WoW mythic + raids. The savage content on JP in EW has been completed by 46% of players on some JP servers. The highest in NA is 22%, keep in mind, this is just completion based off owning the p4s mount, not participation. So I am not sure where you are getting that raiders are the minority, only NA players strive for all this weird casual style gameplay, because people in NA are weirdos in general. Yoshi P is actually a fan of harder content which he has stated in the past. Learn to look at data, a very LARGE portion of the JP community does the more hardcore content. So to say it is only a minority you are pretty much denying the existence of the JP community.

Balancing the types of content is far more important than focusing on a select group, as not matter what when you focus on a select group of players, you alienate another portion of players. Whether or not that playbase is a minority or majority, when you begin to alienate player communities it causes nothing but problems.

We are not necessarily saying that it's fine that it happened before, but we should remember that there were all-tank or all-DPS runs of content even in Heavensward. The reason there is so much hype about it recently is that more people have found out that it's possible and started trying it more than they normally would-snip

I don't think more people found it is possible, it's just with tank healing it is even easier now. It doesn't really change the fact though that these things should not have been happening as often as they were in current content.