FFXIV Biggest Disease....Parsing

[TaleraRistain]

there is only bigger disease in f14 than parsing and that is people complaining about it despite being literally unaffected by it. Bonus points if those players dont even do the content where the parsing happens.

Because parsing isn't staying in that content. It's bleeding down into casual content. I've seen people on these forums who say they parse alliance raids and normal raids and dungeons and judge people about it. Wanna parse for someone's own benefit, fine. But there's zero reason to obsess over numbers in casual content. That makes someone less flexible to react to the idiosyncrasies that happen in a given run because they're more focused on tunnel visioning those arbitrary numbers than being a good teammate.

[IdowhatIwant]

Because parsing isn't staying in that content. It's bleeding down into casual content. I've seen people on these forums who say they parse alliance raids and normal raids and dungeons and judge people about it. Wanna parse for someone's own benefit, fine. But there's zero reason to obsess over numbers in casual content. That makes someone less flexible to react to the idiosyncrasies that happen in a given run because they're more focused on tunnel visioning those arbitrary numbers than being a good teammate.

There's 0 reason to obsess over numbers in casual content, and there is 0 reason to care about some one doing it.
All the parsing argument every turns into is a bunch of casual players whining about some one parsing them and saying something, and a bunch of raiders explaining why it is needed. This will always be a endless argument until people simply understand it is a tool to help you gauge your dps, but tools can be used to to bad things as well. Casual players need to get over it move on or if they don't like it learn to play so no one complains anyways. More than likely if they are complaining from the parse your DPS must be pretty bad to where even with out parsing it, it would be noticeable. Raiders need to stop parsing every aspect of the game, how well you did in a dungeon, or 24 man raid does not matter at all, you are not good you are just trying to give yourself an ego trip.

[TaleraRistain]

There's 0 reason to obsess over numbers in casual content, and there is 0 reason to care about some one doing it.
All the parsing argument every turns into is a bunch of casual players whining about some one parsing them and saying something, and a bunch of raiders explaining why it is needed. This will always be a endless argument until people simply understand it is a tool to help you gauge your dps, but tools can be used to to bad things as well. Casual players need to get over it move on or if they don't like it learn to play so no one complains anyways. More than likely if they are complaining from the parse your DPS must be pretty bad to where even with out parsing it, it would be noticeable. Raiders need to stop parsing every aspect of the game, how well you did in a dungeon, or 24 man raid does not matter at all, you are not good you are just trying to give yourself an ego trip.

There is zero reason to care until they bring the toxicity into the group and that does happen. Yeah, we can report them as another poster mentioned in the previous comment. And then you see those same people still around.

There's a numbers bar for harder content. The bar in casual content is doing the mechanics and working with your teammates. So long as people understand that and don't try to pull content to their personal preferences, then there won't be issues.

[Saraide]

Because parsing isn't staying in that content. It's bleeding down into casual content. I've seen people on these forums who say they parse alliance raids and normal raids and dungeons and judge people about it. Wanna parse for someone's own benefit, fine. But there's zero reason to obsess over numbers in casual content. That makes someone less flexible to react to the idiosyncrasies that happen in a given run because they're more focused on tunnel visioning those arbitrary numbers than being a good teammate.

If someone is standing on the street proclaiming the end of the world by invasion of oversized lobsters, do you also take it seriously? There is no reason to take someone seriously if they are unironically talking about alliance raid or expert dungeon logs. It's like holding a giant sign that says "hello please ignore me". That's different however from calling out someone who is clearly not putting even the least bit of effort in to respect the time of people who are grouped up with them even if your regular talesfromDF poster cant tell the difference. But that's a subreddit best ignored anyway. You're better off never looking at it anyway.

[TaleraRistain]

If someone is standing on the street proclaiming the end of the world by invasion of oversized lobsters, do you also take it seriously? There is no reason to take someone seriously if they are unironically talking about alliance raid or expert dungeon logs. It's like holding a giant sign that says "hello please ignore me". That's different however from calling out someone who is clearly not putting even the least bit of effort in to respect the time of people who are grouped up with them even if your regular talesfromDF poster cant tell the difference. But that's a subreddit best ignored anyway. You're better off never looking at it anyway.

We've had this argument ad nauseum on these forums before. Why does anyone think they have the right to call someone out who was put together with them into a group by a random matching system? In a situation where content requires that sort of mentality then being able to openly discuss and analyze should be welcomed and encouraged. But in content that doesn't require that mentality, there's no reason to bring it up because the content can be cleared without that mentality.

If someone absolutely must have X experience in roulette, whatever that is, then they have the capability of making a premade for their exacting specifications. Otherwise, there's a certain amount of flexibility that is going to service people the best when they let the system randomly match them with players of varying skill levels and experiences.

[Saraide]

We've had this argument ad nauseum on these forums before. Why does anyone think they have the right to call someone out who was put together with them into a group by a random matching system? In a situation where content requires that sort of mentality then being able to openly discuss and analyze should be welcomed and encouraged. But in content that doesn't require that mentality, there's no reason to bring it up because the content can be cleared without that mentality.

If someone absolutely must have X experience in roulette, whatever that is, then they have the capability of making a premade for their exacting specifications. Otherwise, there's a certain amount of flexibility that is going to service people the best when they let the system randomly match them with players of varying skill levels and experiences.

Yes, there should be some basic form of game understanding expectable even for normal content. If someone presses a button once every 10 seconds, never aoes and generally has no clue what they are doing in expert dungeons, the toxic act is not me calling them out, the toxic act is them doing nothing. I expect people to not intentionally and willfully waste other people's time, because it's incredibily easy to play the game at a casual level. No one needs a parser for that however. Just... push your buttons dude, everyone with eyes can see when your not.

[IdowhatIwant]

There is zero reason to care until they bring the toxicity into the group and that does happen. Yeah, we can report them as another poster mentioned in the previous comment. And then you see those same people still around.

There's a numbers bar for harder content. The bar in casual content is doing the mechanics and working with your teammates. So long as people understand that and don't try to pull content to their personal preferences, then there won't be issues.

All you are doing is stooping down to there level by making it a bigger deal than it needs to be. It's a dungeon who cares.

We've had this argument ad nauseum on these forums before. Why does anyone think they have the right to call someone out who was put together with them into a group by a random matching system? In a situation where content requires that sort of mentality then being able to openly discuss and analyze should be welcomed and encouraged. But in content that doesn't require that mentality, there's no reason to bring it up because the content can be cleared without that mentality.

If someone absolutely must have X experience in roulette, whatever that is, then they have the capability of making a premade for their exacting specifications. Otherwise, there's a certain amount of flexibility that is going to service people the best when they let the system randomly match them with players of varying skill levels and experiences.

There is a difference between, not having experienced the dungeon, and wasting people time. When you are lets say a BLM, that is only spamming blizzard 1 the entire dungeon, you are wasting peoples time. Would you be happy is some one was doing that? You would probably address it. It can be very frustrating when you have people at level 90 that a have absolutely 0 idea on how to play the game. I blame the game for being almost too casual and not teaching people how to play to get through the game as much as I blame the players for not caring to learn to play a class after 90 levels and what I would assume several hundred hours of play time. You can argue this is not dark souls, but if you played dark souls for 300+ hours, I would assume you know how to play the game at least a basic level.

[IdowhatIwant]

Because parsing isn't staying in that content. It's bleeding down into casual content. I've seen people on these forums who say they parse alliance raids and normal raids and dungeons and judge people about it. Wanna parse for someone's own benefit, fine. But there's zero reason to obsess over numbers in casual content. That makes someone less flexible to react to the idiosyncrasies that happen in a given run because they're more focused on tunnel visioning those arbitrary numbers than being a good teammate.

It really isn't though. This is a false narrative by players that likely just do Trust Dungeons with the reasoning being that people will pick on them for there damage. I have rarely seen in a dungeon, first of all people say much beyond o/ and tyfp and especially people ever talk about dps in a party. It simply does not exist to the extent that you are claiming in casual content. Maybe I just pay 0 attention to in game chat cause I just don't care what anyone has to say in game anyways.