In a game with E8S why is SE banning people with suggestive Adventurer Plates?

[Vryn]

The dynamic has not changed whatsoever. There is a clear difference between a portrait of a bikini clad female character, and a female character deliberately posing themselves and the camera in such a way that suggests that they are committing a sexual act. the former is accepted, the latter is against the ToS and is a bannable offense. Just because the new portrait system can be manipulated so it looks like you are doing something lewd, does not mean they have suddenly started allowing that type of behavior. They have been very clear that those types of portraits are unacceptable and will be dealt with accordingly.

No amount of complaining, sorry "feedback" will get them to change their minds on the matter because it has been an established rule since the game added glamours.

Ok, it won't change anything but Im still allowed to give it and if you don't like that too bad. The dynamic has changed the company has given you systems and objects which compromise the ToS. Ranging from Stripper poles, housing i.e in-game brothels, casting couches, studio lights etc and now suggestive photos, actual in game brothels. Neir is an 18+ game yet it's integrated in a massive part of the game.

The company is actively getting you to pay for a product and sign up to the ToS which doesn't reflect the nature of the product. So yes the dynamic of the game has changed, it wasn't this way in ARR.

I get it you may not like the opinion but its my opinion and I wont stop giving the feedback no matter how much you complain about my feedback.

[Jason_Ashford]

Ok, it won't change anything but Im still allowed to give it and if you don't like that too bad. The dynamic has changed the company has given you systems and objects which compromise the ToS. Ranging from Stripper poles, housing i.e in-game brothels, casting couches, studio lights etc and now suggestive photos, actual in game brothels. Neir is an 18+ game yet it's integrated in a massive part of the game.

The company is actively getting you to pay for a product and sign up to the ToS which doesn't reflect the nature of the product. So yes the dynamic of the game has changed, it wasn't this way in ARR.

I get it you may not like the opinion but its my opinion and I wont stop giving the feedback no matter how much you complain about my feedback.

no it hasn't. They game is rated Pegi 16+ for a reason. The game has suggestive themes within it, but those themes, despite what you may think, do not cross the border into straight up pornographic content. They do not go into explicit details when handling those subjects. They are very upfront about things pushing beyond sexually suggestive being against the rules, and that isn't going to change. They would need to have a Pegi 18+ rating to allow that, and considering that the focus of this game is not porn, that isn't going to be happening.

[Vryn]

no it hasn't. They game is rated Pegi 16+ for a reason. The game has suggestive themes within it, but those themes, despite what you may think, do not cross the border into straight up pornographic content. They do not go into explicit details when handling those subjects. They are very upfront about things pushing beyond sexually suggestive being against the rules, and that isn't going to change. They would need to have a Pegi 18+ rating to allow that, and considering that the focus of this game is not porn, that isn't going to be happening.

Yes, they would need to change it to 18+ and the age rating is not reflective of that which is in the game. A stripper pole is quite explicit, a borthel is quite explicit, and 2b's arse and clothes are explicit, and so are Gaias's bimbo lips & clothes. No other character in the game has those. The systems do not reflect the nature of the ToS. That is a fact, and it's the company's responsibility not to give customers the ability to compromise their subscription with their poorly designed systems. If so, it's on them to change the systems or change the rating. The only thing in ARR which was questionable was the gold Saucer with Play Bunny Girls and now you have Viera and Furries. Even Lalafells to anyone who doesn't play the game looks like Pedo bait.

I would have allowed a 16 yr old to play this game in ARR I wouldn't now. The dynamic changed as the game got more complex and catered to an 18+ audience.

I will also add that the age rating for ARR was 13 and now its 16+ I wonder what it will be next. hmmmm

[Jason_Ashford]

Yes, they would need to change it to 18+ and the age rating is not reflective of that which is in the game. A stripper pole is quite explicit, a borthel is quite explicit, and 2b's arse and clothes are explicit, and so are Gaias's bimbo lips & clothes. No other character in the game has those. The systems do not reflect the nature of the ToS. That is a fact, and it's the company's responsibility not to give customers the ability to compromise their subscription with their poorly designed systems. If so, it's on them to change the systems or change the rating. The only thing in ARR which was questionable was the gold Saucer with Bunny Girls even Lalafells to anyone who doesn't play the game looks like Pedo bait.

I would have allowed a 16 yr old to play this game in ARR I wouldn't now. The dynamic changed as the game got more complex and catered to an 18+ audience.

suggestive themes is a broad umbrella to catch those. So long as they don't jump into things that explicitly depict sex or nudity then it's generally okay. And again, since this doesn't seem to be sticking, just because you can manipulate the portrait system into a sexually explicit pose, does not mean that it is accepted, or wanted. The system is not poorly designed, it was built so that people could make creative and interesting adventurer plates. not ones where you have a miqote female seemingly performing sexual acts on someone off screen.

[Vryn]

suggestive themes are a broad umbrella to catch those. So long as they don't jump into things that explicitly depict sex or nudity, then it's generally okay. And again, since this doesn't seem to be sticking, just because you can manipulate the portrait system into a sexually explicit pose, does not mean that it is accepted, or wanted. The system is not poorly designed, it was built so that people could make creative and interesting adventurer plates. not ones where you have a miqote female seemingly performing sexual acts on someone off screen.

The themes aren't suggestive, we've had suicide, murder, genocide, drug addiction, human trafficking, and loss of mental facility and autonomy. Alcoholism, slavery etc. All clearly showed they weren't suggestive at all. They even put 18 plus games in this game.

It's not sticking because we disagree. Yes, the system is poorly designed, it's not intuitive, the UI is horrible, and it doesn't serve any function. You have more use looking at the examine page than their adventurer plate, and even in PVP, you could have just changed it to character concept art. Similar systems have been designed in games such as Monster Hunter Wolrd, and even they weren't exploitable this bad to the point it can compromise your sub, which the company has a responsibility not to allow.

If anything the only function of the adventurer plate is for you to pad out PVP rewards because you couldn't make unique enough glamour.

The age rating has risen once already and it will continue to.

there's a reason they labelled the adventurer plate as being in beta. we are playtesting the feature for them while they make adjustment and fixes as needed. They will very likely enforce much stricter control over what we can and can't do with the plates going forward, which likely means heavily restricting how much we can move the character around, or the camera, or removing certain emotes from the list, etc.

So you have just proved my point they have released a very early design for a feature that is highly exploitable. It is the company's duty to playtest features for the community not the other way around and if they are going to do so they should have set up a PTR like every other MMO so players don't risk their account as it's highly irresponsible and this type of situation could have been seen a mile away.

If this was meant to be playtested, why was a test server not set up to protect both the company and the player base against such misuse?

No, it's not. Nudity is sexualized, and the very same cultures that do so also shame it. Nudity by itself is just that, nudity. A nude human being is simply in their natural state. This is true no matter what culture anyone may refer to.

Humans are inherently sexual it's one of our defining acts, of course, nudity is sexual were not covering up our sexual organs or characteristics. That's what being nude is. No it's in our natural state, anything man makes is his natural state. Even savage societies in colder climates aren't in the nude for obvious reasons those who are in hotter climates still cover up their sexual organs. Humans aren't the only animal not to remain naked many other animals do so as well.

[Jason_Ashford]

The themes aren't suggestive, we've had suicide, murder, genocide, drug addiction, human trafficking, and loss of mental facility and autonomy. Alcoholism, slavery etc. All clearly showed they weren't suggestive at all. They even put 18 plus games in this game.

It's not sticking because we disagree. Yes, the system is poorly designed, it's not intuitive, the UI is horrible, and it doesn't serve any function. You have more use looking at the examine page than their adventurer plate, and even in PVP, you could have just changed it to character concept art. Similar systems have been designed in games such as Monster Hunter Wolrd, and even they weren't exploitable this bad to the point it can compromise your sub, which the company has a responsibility not to allow.

If anything the only function of the adventurer plate is for you to pad out PVP rewards because you couldn't make unique enough glamour.

there's a reason they labelled the adventurer plate as being in beta. we are playtesting the feature for them while they make adjustment and fixes as needed. They will very likely enforce much stricter control over what we can and can't do with the plates going forward, which likely means heavily restricting how much we can move the character around, or the camera, or removing certain emotes from the list, etc.