In a game with E8S why is SE banning people with suggestive Adventurer Plates?

[Vryn]

suggestive themes are a broad umbrella to catch those. So long as they don't jump into things that explicitly depict sex or nudity, then it's generally okay. And again, since this doesn't seem to be sticking, just because you can manipulate the portrait system into a sexually explicit pose, does not mean that it is accepted, or wanted. The system is not poorly designed, it was built so that people could make creative and interesting adventurer plates. not ones where you have a miqote female seemingly performing sexual acts on someone off screen.

The themes aren't suggestive, we've had suicide, murder, genocide, drug addiction, human trafficking, and loss of mental facility and autonomy. Alcoholism, slavery etc. All clearly showed they weren't suggestive at all. They even put 18 plus games in this game.

It's not sticking because we disagree. Yes, the system is poorly designed, it's not intuitive, the UI is horrible, and it doesn't serve any function. You have more use looking at the examine page than their adventurer plate, and even in PVP, you could have just changed it to character concept art. Similar systems have been designed in games such as Monster Hunter Wolrd, and even they weren't exploitable this bad to the point it can compromise your sub, which the company has a responsibility not to allow.

If anything the only function of the adventurer plate is for you to pad out PVP rewards because you couldn't make unique enough glamour.

The age rating has risen once already and it will continue to.

there's a reason they labelled the adventurer plate as being in beta. we are playtesting the feature for them while they make adjustment and fixes as needed. They will very likely enforce much stricter control over what we can and can't do with the plates going forward, which likely means heavily restricting how much we can move the character around, or the camera, or removing certain emotes from the list, etc.

So you have just proved my point they have released a very early design for a feature that is highly exploitable. It is the company's duty to playtest features for the community not the other way around and if they are going to do so they should have set up a PTR like every other MMO so players don't risk their account as it's highly irresponsible and this type of situation could have been seen a mile away.

If this was meant to be playtested, why was a test server not set up to protect both the company and the player base against such misuse?

No, it's not. Nudity is sexualized, and the very same cultures that do so also shame it. Nudity by itself is just that, nudity. A nude human being is simply in their natural state. This is true no matter what culture anyone may refer to.

Humans are inherently sexual it's one of our defining acts, of course, nudity is sexual were not covering up our sexual organs or characteristics. That's what being nude is. No it's in our natural state, anything man makes is his natural state. Even savage societies in colder climates aren't in the nude for obvious reasons those who are in hotter climates still cover up their sexual organs. Humans aren't the only animal not to remain naked many other animals do so as well.

[Doc_Seraph]

Kupo, c'est la vie <3 kupo

[Jason_Ashford]

The themes aren't suggestive, we've had suicide, murder, genocide, drug addiction, human trafficking, and loss of mental facility and autonomy. Alcoholism, slavery etc. All clearly showed they weren't suggestive at all. They even put 18 plus games in this game.

It's not sticking because we disagree. Yes, the system is poorly designed, it's not intuitive, the UI is horrible, and it doesn't serve any function. You have more use looking at the examine page than their adventurer plate, and even in PVP, you could have just changed it to character concept art. Similar systems have been designed in games such as Monster Hunter Wolrd, and even they weren't exploitable this bad to the point it can compromise your sub, which the company has a responsibility not to allow.

If anything the only function of the adventurer plate is for you to pad out PVP rewards because you couldn't make unique enough glamour.

there's a reason they labelled the adventurer plate as being in beta. we are playtesting the feature for them while they make adjustment and fixes as needed. They will very likely enforce much stricter control over what we can and can't do with the plates going forward, which likely means heavily restricting how much we can move the character around, or the camera, or removing certain emotes from the list, etc.

[Darksummoner]

If you put it in the game you better damn well expect to see it!

One of the things you need to learn real fast about this game is that you are playing with millions of players. And some of them are literally looking for something to complain about. Like literally. Half of the things people complain about has nothing to do with me or how I play the game. Those adventure plates do nothing for me so I never look at them. Actually half the things in this game, if not more, that people complain about are those I really never pay attention to me. It does not interrupt my internet connection or covers my screen to do things. I guess I am just one that is just chill and relaxed to a point that I don't do drama and arguing. Something a lot of people on this game like to do.

[Gemina]

and so is still the question: why allow SE the camera to go in such angles? they could easy limit it for the plates, why wasnt they doing it? Everyone knows, if something is possible someone gonna try out, so why not avoid such behavior by technical limitations on first place?

It's called a privilege. These are granted in good faith that they won't be abused; when they are, those privileges are taken away. I shouldn't have to spell this out. Parents are supposed to teach this to their children, so the fact that this even comes into question as far as what is and isn't appropriate just lets you know the maturity level of those who do so. You are trying to defend sexualization of something that doesn't even belong to you (your avatar and everything about it is the property of SE).

Nudity is inherently sexual. The differences are those cultures don't see sex as being a dirty act but as the creation of something new.

No, it's not. Nudity is sexualized, and the very same cultures that do so also shame it. Nudity by itself is just that, nudity. A nude human being is simply in their natural state. This is true no matter what culture anyone may refer to.

[Carin-Eri]

Although stating the obvious, it seems worth noting that the Pegi rating isn't issued on 'sexual' related subject matter alone.

To quote the site related to the 16 rating:
"This rating is applied once the depiction of violence (or sexual activity) reaches a stage that looks the same as would be expected in real life."

It might be argued that the 16 rating is more relevant to the level of violence depicted in the game, but it does seem to be something of a grey area with regard to depiction of sexual activity in the context of this thread.

[Doc_Seraph]

We should all go nude for a month (adults only obviously) and then when clothes are allowed back on we will understand ourselves much better and not over sexualize everything just because it is marketable kupo <3 jk

[Carin-Eri]

We should all go nude for a month (adults only obviously) and then when clothes are allowed back on we will understand ourselves much better and not over sexualize everything just because it is marketable kupo <3 jk

Wait - you're a Moogle! You don't wearing clothing anyway! Though you have been sited wearing a postbag in various locations!

[TabrisOmbrelame]

Although stating the obvious, it seems worth noting that the Pegi rating isn't issued on 'sexual' related subject matter alone.

To quote the site related to the 16 rating:
"This rating is applied once the depiction of violence (or sexual activity) reaches a stage that looks the same as would be expected in real life."

It might be argued that the 16 rating is more relevant to the level of violence depicted in the game, but it does seem to be something of a grey area with regard to depiction of sexual activity in the context of this thread.

The rating of FFXIV is PEGI 16 for Europe (USK 12 for Germany, and ESRB Teen for US, which mean 13+). It's the rating society who determine what rating is appropriate for a game, not Square Enix. Rating of a MMO and Rules determined by the editor are completely different.

Square Enix has no obligation to follow exactly what's allowed in a PEGI 16 game, as long as it does not go towards a 18+ game. The opposite is doable tho. That's why they decide what's in the ToS, as long as the ToS doesn't allow to do thing that go over a 16+ rating.

Therefore, we may have a 16+ game which can include sexual reference, joke, or revealing outfit. But simulating sexual ACTS is 18+ and CAN'T be allowed in the game. Square Enix is doing this in order to protect the player from Germany, Australia and New Zealand which can be 12 year old, which is completely understandable.

What you said, Carin-Eri, by quoting the 16 rating is absolutely True. The Pegi 16 rating doesn't require BOTH Violence and Sexual activity, one is enough. Square Enix choose not to add Sexual activities in the game and that's the better choice imo.

As for an exemple, let's take Skyrim. Skyrim is a 18+ Game because the violence in the game is greater than what's in FFXIV. You have decapitation, you can impale people on your sword etc etc... BUT, their is absolutely no sexual content or activities in the actual game. 18+ only by violence.

[Doc_Seraph]

Wait - you're a Moogle! You don't wearing clothing anyway! Though you have been sited wearing a postbag in various locations!

Kupo, sometimes I have to dry clean the suit because as you can imagine in Limsa it gets humid and well..it sweats kupo <3 lol