Be nice to nooob tanks ffs

[Coletergeist]

I would suggest w2w pulling to learn, because you're not learning with smaller packs; you should try to get the feel of doing the 'norm' pulls the best you can. Worst case scenario, you wipe, and that is when you can adjust. If you don't wipe, then hey, you've got it down already. I'm very sure your healers will appreciate being able to do more than press one button, too.
If you're not that comfortable with being a tank yet, you can always queue up for the lower dungeons first before the higher leveled ones, or do PotD for a while to understand your mitigation tools as you get them starting from level 1 and head up from there; after that there's HoH. You can solo that so you don't feel the pressure from other players as well. Or Trusts, or what have you.
But I promise it's not that bad, and most players will be understanding that you're learning. There's horror stories of dickish players, but I believe they're more few than more.

[Coletergeist]

Imagine considering running Dungeons slower than average a waste of time, yet wasting time is the very nature of Video Games in the first place.

Not in multiplayer games; that is when it becomes selfish. If you want to waste time, there's solo games or trusts or whatever. You should try to keep in mind you're playing with other people. Be respectful and you should learn to do what the majority of the playerbase wants to do.

Now, I'm not saying everyone is wanting a fast speedrun of all time, but doing the 'norm' is sort of expected at some point when you reach a certain level. Seeing you have a level 90, you should know the pull etiquette by now.

[Padudu]

Not in multiplayer games; that is when it becomes selfish. If you want to waste time, there's solo games or trusts or whatever. You should try to keep in mind you're playing with other people. Be respectful and you should learn to do what the majority of the playerbase wants to do.

Now, I'm not saying everyone is wanting a fast speedrun of all time, but doing the 'norm' is sort of expected at some point when you reach a certain level. Seeing you have a level 90, you should know the pull etiquette by now.

Ultimately it's going to up to the tank and three other players. If the tank and two others are ok with slow pulls, then you're the outlier. Vice versa for w2ws. IMO you should at least try to do double pulls, there's no reason to do single pulls unless you're new or struggling. But if the tank asks, eh, sure whatevs.

Personally, people should just really be okay with wiping. Especially if you're learning w2ws as tank, it's going to happen at least once or twice and that's ok. Single pulling constantly and everyday isn't learning at some point - you're just becoming normalized to it.

[Anhra]

Not in multiplayer games; that is when it becomes selfish. If you want to waste time, there's solo games or trusts or whatever. You should try to keep in mind you're playing with other people. Be respectful and you should learn to do what the majority of the playerbase wants to do.

Now, I'm not saying everyone is wanting a fast speedrun of all time, but doing the 'norm' is sort of expected at some point when you reach a certain level. Seeing you have a level 90, you should know the pull etiquette by now.

Personally, i dont care if i have to kill all of them one by one or all at once including Boss. I sometimes even run random Dungeons as BLU only Groups with randomly assigned Spells just to get a kick out of the boring everyday runs.

But i think People should be more mindful towards those who only pull one Group at a time, its not THAT big of a deal and ive seen a fair number of Tanks in my Groups in Dungeon content who would have gotten the Boot if i were to accept "Yes", just because they didnt pull everything at once.

[Coletergeist]

Ultimately it's going to up to the tank and three other players.

Yup. I main healer, so if I see that the tank and the 2 dps wanna go slower, then I adjust and just deal with pressing one button and have a slow run - I'll just drink tea with my free hand during those pulls, no biggie. It's just not the norm.

[Coletergeist]

Personally, i dont care if i have to kill all of them one by one or all at once including Boss.

The thing is, is that I don't really see a lot of players that are rude about it; usually if a tank is single pulling most of the time the rest of the team just deals with it. Maybe there will be that one dps or healer that will pull another mob, but as a tank, you can just aoe them and grab the aggro and do the same thing you've been doing, because it's no different, just a different mob size. But I don't see that behavior as often as forums makes it out to be. Most of the time, players are nice and chill.

Edit: I meant to quote the whole thing, oh well lol. But still, players from my experience are not rude a lot of the times. someone gets a bad experience and then believes that it's the majority of the playerbase that is rude when that's not the case. Unless I've just been super ultra lucky, and I run content every day, like all day. I'd figure I'd come across these rude players more often, but nah.

About the BLU thing; that sounds like fun. I haven't been able to try BLU in a dungeon yet. Hear they OP.

[Faafetai]

I would suggest w2w pulling to learn, because you're not learning with smaller packs; you should try to get the feel of doing the 'norm' pulls the best you can. Worst case scenario, you wipe, and that is when you can adjust. If you don't wipe, then hey, you've got it down already. I'm very sure your healers will appreciate being able to do more than press one button, too.
If you're not that comfortable with being a tank yet, you can always queue up for the lower dungeons first before the higher leveled ones, or do PotD for a while to understand your mitigation tools as you get them starting from level 1 and head up from there; after that there's HoH. You can solo that so you don't feel the pressure from other players as well. Or Trusts, or what have you.
But I promise it's not that bad, and most players will be understanding that you're learning. There's horror stories of dickish players, but I believe they're more few than more.

Aye this! I noticed even in the overworld before getting to the first three dungeons just doing fates and thing you can also get a bit of a feel for how much you can pull before you really need a cooldown so next time if you pull that many or more you pop a mitigation. I am a bit sad I never had the true beginner feel though for tanking, the most worry I did have was knowing where to go and wishing I memorized the paths through the dungeons I had done when I was playing bard. I just did what I did in swtor, see how much I could pull, note how much damage things would do and realize how depressed I felt going through stuff again with better gear. The power creep in here is wild. (Way later in the Twinning in cryptlurker the healer was telling me they were only using kardia on most of the pulls...I wasn't taking any damage and was very confused because I was wondering if I should waste mitigation on things that hit like a wet noodle.) Many I know will struggle a bit with gearing their first time through dungeons due to bad luck so usually have a smattering of vendor sadness and random drops so something like mini pull of legends you can do even after the changes to stone vigil could be dicey.

You should get the feeling as you go for how much your gear can handle and if your dps is spamming 1 and the pull used up all of your carefully spaced out cooldowns so usually depending on gear I might go half a pull and than another. I usually at least try to get a certain number of enemies for dps especially black mage, dance, mechanist, anything that would have an aoe at that level, usually if they are using it you can feel it and I try to get enough so they could do their aoe rotation. After hearing friends and than becoming that friend never able to do my aoe rotation on black mage I try to pull enough so they get value out of it even if damage is painfully low you will feel it especially if you get a team that looks at enemies and they fall over.

Though never feel pressured, just do your best, and try to learn as much as you can even through a wipe. If I die I usually know what caused it. If I know it was me spamming hollowed and dying and seeing hollowed ground missed me somehow I just apologize to the group let them know what happened and continue on. If someone is being a meany butt don't let them get you down OP!

[ThorneDynasty]

You can do almost whatever and easily survive single-pack pulls, so the "it's learning" excuse is kind of nonsense. You will never know if you are doing something horribly wrong, so what are you exactly learning? Possibly the wrong things, which is way worse than not learning at all.

[SlickPaws]

My philosophy is "If you aren't pushing yourself, you aren't learning. You're just reinforcing what you already know." and that applies to tanking, healing and DPSing - and it applies in every game I play. I want to find out where my limits are and if we have to wipe to find out where the line is, then we wipe - it's not a big deal. When I was a sprout tank, I was terrified of the role because it felt like so much importance was placed on tanking and being the defacto leader of the dungeon so I did my little single pulls and probably put some other players through severe boredom. To their credit, I never really got much in the way of complaints. I don't remember exactly how I started doing the bigger pulls but I remember feeling like the single-pulls were too easy and that I needed to pull more, so I did and it turned out that most of the healers I had could handle it, and a lot of them appreciated it. I learned how my CDs worked and how to properly space them, I learned how much punishment my gear could take and I learned how much the average healer can do - and spoiler alert, it's far more than you realise. With all that being the case, I'm not saying I'm the best tank ever or that I'm even all that good but pulling wall-to-wall only seems daunting until you do it a bunch of times and then you realise *why* it's the norm in this game. So the next time a healer says "You can pull more" or a DPS decides to grab an extra pack, don't take it as some kind of personal slight or player toxicity, take it as a non-verbal hint that you can handle more and use it as an opportunity to prove that.

Provided you're upgrading your gear often to match your level, reading your tool-tips and figuring out how stuff works then you really can't go far wrong. Also, just as an added tip because it took me far too long to figure out for myself - Arm's Length is arguably one of the best tank CDs you can have. Never sleep on it.

[Hysorn]

Ah, don't worry, I pulled single packs until level 63 when a mentor healer asked "Are we doing single pulls the whole dungeon?" and proceeded to leave the instance. My pride spoke louder and I gained the confidence to pull wall to wall, since, you know, wanted to kinda throw it on their face. You're going to have your moment too.

Funny thing though, wall to wall is more of a strain on healers then you, you just gotta know to rotate your defensives, dodge and use invuln when needed while DPSing, the healers are the ones that kinda have to adapt, so sometimes you may need to go slower when your healer isn't particularly good.