Dragonsong Ultimate Lore [Save Haurchefant version] Discussion

[Recon1o6]

One thing I do note is that at the time, Thordan is story wise THE strongest primal we had ever fought with the possible exception of bahamut himself. Undertuning made him into a rhitatyn level joke though.
So the way the alt timeline flows is

-we save Haurchefaunt. (honestly why didn't he use hallowed ground)
-Thordan either 1 goes to the churning mists instead of azys la and tempers dragons as he goes or 2 successfully drains the warring triad THEN goes to the mists.
-We give him a good thumping and mercy for some reason (bit of a weird point wandering minstrel since thordan is still a primal and the archbishop is tempered as he doesn't have the echo unlike ysayle. So even if we did want to spare him, we'd have to slay him for that reason)
-Now here's the weird part. Hraesvelgr has an allagan neurolink and its explicitly controlled by Nidhogg in this phase. Thordan wouldn't need allagan tech if he can just temper normally as seen with the previous phase because he got Vidrfolnir whose one of the most powerful of hraesvelgrs brood. Nidhogg according to endwalker has successfully visited Tiamat in azys la before even before we turned off the shield
So...nidhogg may have somehow figured out allagan tech? Funny/horrifying implication of nidhogg tapping a claw on an allagan device
-We slay nidhogg as usual. Possibly slay Hraesvelgr but we leave his eyes alone while us and alphinaud pull nidhogg's out of estinien
-Thordan turns up, taking all 4 eyes and becomes the final boss. Who we put down anyway because ffs we want our shiny weapons already

-since the eyes are consumed by primal thordan and us punching the shit out of him Shinryu would not have the bonus nidhogg eyes to power up with since the draconic shape came from ilberds thought process of the only dragon more powerful than bahamut- middy, whose doman name is shinryu

-From there the timeline can get more weird. Either Shinryu got a different power source (bismarck if thordan went straight to churning mists for example) and was just as strong as normal, or he didn't.
>If he didn't get a bonus to his strength, we'd just knock him out no questions asked.
>If the Ascians DID bring up a new power source to make Shinryu strong enough we sic omega on him

Now here's the fun part. Say we follow the ascians bring up a new power source since thats likely as Thordan failed to produce the required calamity.
That means when we fight Omega and win
We get stuck in the rift and likely die unless cid can cobble a teleporter together from our inventory

[Vyrerus]

One thing I do note

Alternate Timeline pretty much has to go like this:

- We save Haurchefant. (it was on cooldown)

-Thordan goes to Churning Mists to temper dragons to kill Bismarck with, because he needs to kill Bismarck in order to attain Azys Lla.

- We grant him mercy, because we do not yet know that people who mantle primals need the Echo to survive the process/what his status is.

- Nidhogg has Allagan ruins in The Aery. If you look around as you reach near the top, you will see Allagan metal and broken pieces around the outer edges of the parts of the dungeon where you cannot go.

-Thordan steals all four eyes, and powers up dual wielding Ascalons. By the time he is beaten, he has moved the encounter to Sor Khai. With both Hraesvelgr and Nidhogg dead, there are now 4 eyes for the Ascians to have the WoDs collect (Thordan powering up with the eyes doesn't actually consume or rid us of the eyes). There is also no sudden Aymeric telling us to throw them into the chasm.

- In addition to The Griffin being given a pair of eyes, another ne'er do well could be given the other set, assuming the WoD get all 4. (Sidenote: Bismarck can't be a power source for Shinryu. How would that even work? He's another huge primal that takes flight innovation and power to kill, let alone capture. He's also not a dragon.)

- This leads us to either a far more powerful version of Shinryu or one of the same power, but another threat equal to or greater than Shinryu from somewhere else. Either way, we're still breaking Omega out. (Sidenote: Without the eyes, Shinryu wouldn't exist, because Nidhogg's eyes were the aetheric implosion trigger, so to speak, which sparked the sacrificed Ala Mhigans to conjoin and create it)

- If events proceed relatively the same through Stormblood, we won't die in the Rift. Midgardsormr will contact Vrtra, rather than Hraesvelgr, who will come to our aid.

- Given that the Ascians have 4 eyes to work with, the speculation we could make on how events unfold is endless. The simplest way we could boil it down without changing it too much would be something like, we get a 4 Eye powered Shinryu who Omega still manages to capture, but Omega is critically damaged in the process, so we don't have to fight it later. The fight takes so much out of both of them that the Hyper Shinryu isn't any stronger than Dragon King Thordan, so we take it out too.

[Vyrerus]

My tinfoil hat theory

That's not at all what piqued Regula's interest in Azys Lla. He was looking into everything there to see if the Garleans could reliably adapt the containment technology to put Primals on ice forever. In order to, "Ship" the Warring Triad back, you'd have to extract the entire facility. At that point it'd be easier to learn how to operate Azys Lla itself and move the entire facility. Which I, no matter how I think about it, don't believe Regula in any sort of what if scenario would be capable of. Even then, they power the facility. They are what keep it aloft. It's a non-option to take them out of it without crashing the whole of it.

However, if you've done the extreme modes of the Warring Triad, then you know that they are X-men Danger Room style simulations what-ifs already, with the what-if being, "What if this Warring Triad member ate the other two and was at projected full potential?" Which just reeks of Omega's technology for simulating entities both real and fictional.

Since Omega has all of the data on Kefka and the original Warring Triad from 6, we could easily extrapolate a what-if scenario based off of this Ultimate where Omega has to fight a Double Powered Shinryu. Perhaps damaged in the confrontation this time, rather than completely unphased, Omega has to go to Azys Lla and take the simulation room tech from there to repair itself. In doing so, it gets access to the data on XIV's Warring Triad, and then pairs it with its own data on the original Warring Triad, and so for the Stormblood Ultimate we get to fight Ultra Final Omega (U.F.O.) and the Perfected Warring Triad.

Edit: And we can keep Kefka out of it, if that's really a stickler for you, by citing the fact that it was the Triad that was responsible for powering him up. The reason they couldn't just kill him is due to their own stasis lock in 6, and him taking advantage of that. Were they not statues at the time, he never could have succeeded in draining their powers and becoming a god.

[KageTokage]

The fictional alternate timeline shoulders on King Thordan somehow existing without need of Nidhogg's eyes (As the Nidhogg present in phase 6 is still a possessed Estinien with both eyes), which makes things...awkward.

That said, it's hard to make any real sense of it with how many holes there are in its vaguely defined plot and as previously mentioned is more of a "Let's just make dramatic/cool stuff happen" story.