Rescue needs to go away.

[Krotoan]

I'll assume all I like when you continuously prove them right in every post you make, here and elsewhere. Don't like it, then maybe don't act in a way that befits such assumptions? I also like how you went from "keep my name out of your posts" to "respond all you like", lmao.

Respond as in actually respond to what I'm saying, not just namedrop me with a snipe.

There is zero reason not to pop Sprint, especially when it prevents people from getting ahead of you and using Rescue to pull you - which seems to be quite a sore spot you're still harping on supposedly so long after it happened. Maybe let it go and move on with your life? Just a thought.

There's a few reasons to not constantly be popping every single skill I have to be "efficient". One of which being it's a matter of seconds to minutes it saves so why do I need to? I'm playing this game because I enjoy it, not cause I need another job.

I assume no one cared because most people don't, in my experience. Usually the only one who cares is the tank who gets super offended that someone dares try to make their job easier by pulling them faster into the next pack.

You're not making their job easier, you're making it more complicated rather than waiting the entire 5-10 seconds it would take for them to walk over there.

If you actually believed that, you wouldn't be on record as one of the biggest SQE white knight defenders on this forum. Practice what you preach.

"on record"? What are you talking about? We have a list?

There is an objective way to play correctly, and a community standard of expected play in casual and midcore content. Intentionally playing at 20% while everyone else is doing at least 80% if not 100%, drags the group down as a whole. Personally I'd rather everyone carry their own weight in a team-based game, rather than getting carried by people having to make up for their lack of effort or interest in improving.

There is an optimal and efficient plan for each class to contribute. There are tolerances made to accommodate people of differing skill levels. You are the one assuming absolutely someone who is playing "poorly" is doing so out of planned lazyness.

Funny, you've given no evidence that I'm wrong, so that's a massive assumption you're making. You hate others making assumptions, don't you? But I guess for you, free pass. Why am I not shocked. Also pretty sure you have zero idea what the term 'strawman' actually means.

You have taken perceived arguments and positions I've taken on OTHER SUBJECTS and turned them into a perceived boogyman SE suckup and uber-casual. I'd say you've strawmanned my positions massively. I don't need to give evidence that you're wrong about assumptions you've made about my character and playstyle.. do you want VOD's of me playing the game or something? Talking to people?

You have a tool to prevent use of Rescue on you, provided to you by the game. You would rather the entire workings of the skill itself be changed than take the effort to use the tools already provided. Pretty lazy and selfish of you, honestly.

No I commented on a thread arguing the merits of rescue, I have not specifically demanded it's removal nor do I even expect a toggle to be implemented.

Gee, you sure are changing your tune from your first post. Is it that you don't encounter it often, or that you encounter it "more than you can count"?

The example being: I can actually remember how many times It's been used beneficially on me but I have lost count of the times people have used it to grief or "correct" me. This does not imply recently, or frequently, especially since I am quite a long time player. Majority being more than half. Language IS important.

You sure do love to go on endless rants trying to get in the last word. Luckily for you I chose violence today, but at this point, you're just going to continue trying to spin everything around as you've done with Gemina, MiaShino, and countless others in various other threads beyond this one.
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Right back at you. Considering you're the 2nd person who's "you always have to get the last word"-ed at me while trying to get the last word themselves.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

Respond as in actually respond to what I'm saying, not just namedrop me with a snipe.

Public forum, expect people to namedrop if they feel its relevant. Don't like it, don't be on a public forum - as I said.

There's a few reasons to not constantly be popping every single skill I have to be "efficient". One of which being it's a matter of seconds to minutes it saves so why do I need to? I'm playing this game because I enjoy it, not cause I need another job.

It's one single button. Do you also not pop your CDs consistently, because you don't need to be "efficient"? I swear, what is it with you people assuming playing properly and utilizing tools in the game equates to it being a 'second job'? I play the game to have fun, too! Most people do. Just because some actually play efficiently doesn't mean they aren't playing it for fun or enjoying it - shocking as that must be to you, I'm sure.

You're not making their job easier, you're making it more complicated rather than waiting the entire 5-10 seconds it would take for them to walk over there.

There's nothing complicated about being moved in the midst of a pack. Press your AoE, park with the rest of the mobs, gg ez. If you think that's 'complicated'... I don't know what to tell you, honestly. Other than maybe don't play tank.

"on record"? What are you talking about? We have a list?

Post history is technically a list, if we want to be pedantic about it. :P

There is an optimal and efficient plan for each class to contribute. There are tolerances made to accommodate people of differing skill levels. You are the one assuming absolutely someone who is playing "poorly" is doing so out of planned lazyness.

If you're playing a job poorly in endgame content, then yeah, at that point it's pretty lazy. Skill level doesn't equate to being on the floor 90% of the time and not even performing a bare bones 1-2-3 rotation; some people may not be optimal at a class, but most people don't care about optimal in casual and midcore content - only that the person has enough grasp on their class to not be dragging the entire run down to a crawl. Sprouts in sub-60 content also tend to get a pass because they are genuinely still learning.

You have taken perceived arguments and positions I've taken on OTHER SUBJECTS and turned them into a perceived boogyman SE suckup and uber-casual. I'd say you've strawmanned my positions massively. I don't need to give evidence that you're wrong about assumptions you've made about my character and playstyle.. do you want VOD's of me playing the game or something? Talking to people?

Not a boogeyman, just an observation made over many years of seeing you regularly post in the forum. Most regular users here all tend to have a general idea of other regular users' playstyles/opinions/temperments simply from repeated observation. Yours, in this case, has yet to be disproven and thus will remain in my eyes. If that bothers you so much that you have to keep harping on about it, well, not really a me problem at that point.

No I commented on a thread arguing the merits of rescue, I have not specifically demanded it's removal nor do I even expect a toggle to be implemented.

Your post history in this thread can be construed otherwise.

The example being: I can actually remember how many times It's been used beneficially on me but I have lost count of the times people have used it to grief or "correct" me. This does not imply recently, or frequently, especially since I am quite a long time player. Majority being more than half. Language IS important.

Language is important, yes, and without proper clarification, such things can oft be construed various different ways. Food for thought!

Right back at you. Considering you're the 2nd person who's "you always have to get the last word"-ed at me while trying to get the last word themselves.

Nah, I just think it's funny to watch people mald and trip over themselves. I do, however, have some anime to watch with a friend! Go ahead and do your last little jab, as you always do, because you can't help yourself. I've said what I need to say and am moving on to more important things in life, as most anti-Rescue types should do!


TL;DR People who get upset at being Rescue'd should maybe use the tools that prevent Rescue, or just stop standing in stuff. Or, even better... move on! Life goes on, and all that.

[Krotoan]

Public forum, expect people to namedrop if they feel its relevant. Don't like it, don't be on a public forum - as I said.

Then expect me to correct you when you make incorrect assumptions.

It's one single button. Do you also not pop your CDs consistently, because you don't need to be "efficient"? I swear, what is it with you people assuming playing properly and utilizing tools in the game equates to it being a 'second job'? I play the game to have fun, too! Most people do. Just because some actually play efficiently doesn't mean they aren't playing it for fun or enjoying it - shocking as that must be to you, I'm sure.

I know how to pull as a tank yes, however every single second of my DF runs doesn't have to be going at breakneck speed and I don't expect that from others. I especially don't attempt to correct them if the run is going at a decent pace.

There's nothing complicated about being moved in the midst of a pack. Press your AoE, park with the rest of the mobs, gg ez. If you think that's 'complicated'... I don't know what to tell you, honestly. Other than maybe don't play tank.

If I pull I have aggro and I know where the mobs are going. I can run up at the right angle to pull with whatever AOE I'm using (admittedly simplified now that everything seems to be a circle). If I get yanked into a pack someone ELSE has aggro on now I had to reposition to get the mobs from a direction I wasn't planning on facing. It IS super minor.. but could be avoided.

Post history is technically a list, if we want to be pedantic about it. :P

The fun part then is if you actually read my post history you would see criticism of SE and requests for new features mixed in with your particularly hated "white knighting" (a term I've noticed is thrown around whenever anyone so much as makes a positive comment about SE) . So it's not "on record". The record is of my varied posts and positions. You wanna be obsessive about me like that go ahead and read through it, but I'm thinking you're not going to find what you think you're going to find unless you cherrypick the heck out of it.

If you're playing a job poorly in endgame content, then yeah, at that point it's pretty lazy. Skill level doesn't equate to being on the floor 90% of the time and not even performing a bare bones 1-2-3 rotation; some people may not be optimal at a class, but most people don't care about optimal in casual and midcore content - only that the person has enough grasp on their class to not be dragging the entire run down to a crawl. Sprouts in sub-60 content also tend to get a pass because they are genuinely still learning.

I have never excused someone being dead 90% of the time. I've never even come close. I've spoken up on MSQ DF threads about kicking AFK-ers. I'm not going to argue a position I've never held. However someone not mashing sprint every time it's up isn't going to kill anyone, the same as someone not doing positionals. It's not particularly efficient, but it's not something I would even care to correct unless asked about it.

Not a boogeyman, just an observation made over many years of seeing you regularly post in the forum. Most regular users here all tend to have a general idea of other regular users' playstyles/opinions/temperments simply from repeated observation. Yours, in this case, has yet to be disproven and thus will remain in my eyes. If that bothers you so much that you have to keep harping on about it, well, not really a me problem at that point.

Your perception of who I am is entirely your problem. I know who I am. I'm just going to keep saying you're wrong.

Your post history in this thread can be construed otherwise.

Then let that statement be clarification.

Language is important, yes, and without proper clarification, such things can oft be construed various different ways. Food for thought!

Yet a further snack for your brain: Asking for clarification rather than attacking people is usually a better tactic for discourse.

Nah, I just think it's funny to watch people mald and trip over themselves. I do, however, have some anime to watch with a friend! Go ahead and do your last little jab, as you always do, because you can't help yourself. I've said what I need to say and am moving on to more important things in life, as most anti-Rescue types should do!

I'd put a boxing glove as a "jab" emote but this board lacks them. Enjoy your anime.

TL;DR People who get upset at being Rescue'd should maybe use the tools that prevent Rescue, or just stop standing in stuff. Or, even better... move on! Life goes on, and all that.

People who use rescue on others should probably think about why they're using it. Probably.


Everyone has moved on, considering I did not, in fact, have a breakdown, curse out the rescue users and get banned for such and just finished the instances.

Again, your imagined seething responses aren't what's happening here.

[Semirhage]

I can't imagine being this much of a drama queen over getting Rescued out of an AOE and losing one GCD of uptime. As I said in the other Rescue complaint thread: how about they implement a toggle to turn off other players' ability to run AOEs into me? It's killed me once or twice in the last few years, and that's a horrible imposition on me, controlling something that happens to my character. How dare they. The 0.05 gil worth of repair cost I lose from such a dastardly deed will go on my grudge list until the end of time.

[MomomiMomi]

I actually expect Rescue to be removed at some point based on some of the changes they've been making due to healers.

On a personal level, I dislike its existence, both having the ability as a healer main, and having it used on me. I hardly ever use it. Often I don't even keep it in my bar.

[Packetdancer]

Okay, while I demonstrably think Rescue has valid uses—as I have detailed in this thread—communicating that you think a tank is moving too slowly is not one, at least in my opinion.

I have met very few tanks who would not be annoyed by that. Plus, we have a more effective way to reliably communicate that bigger pulls are desired: the chatbox, where you can type "hey, you can pull bigger than this" or whatever. Or heck, if you don't have a keyboard handy... like, my solution as a healer to encourage the tank that "no, we can go bigger!" is to run slightly ahead of them and then jump up and down a few times. This is evidently sufficient, as like 95% of the time I've done that a tank will pick up the pace and stop playing it safe.

Back when Anamnesis Anyder was current and the mega-pull (i.e., the "pull everything from the second boss to the third boss at once" pull) was actually capable of turning some careless parties to paste (but also was some of the most fun you could have in a dungeon at the time), I'd often pro-actively tell the tank before leaving the second boss arena, "BTW, if you're good with it, I'm up for the mega-pull!" And usually they'd go "Sure, let's go!" and then we did it. Or if I didn't have time to type it before they took off for the next pull and they stopped at the halfway point, I'd step slightly further ahead and jump up and down two or three times and... like I said, roughly 95% of the time the tank would pick up "Oh, hey, the healer thinks we can go bigger" and go get the second half of the mega-pull.

Using Rescue to make that "request" rather than just, you know, making the request strikes me as vaguely passive-aggressive. (Or maybe that's active-aggressive.)

[Fyrebrand]

Unpopular opinion perhaps, but I do not like Rescue. I don't think anyone should be able to forcibly commandeer another player's character, no matter how innocent of benevolent the motive may be. For the sake of argument, I'll even ignore the times where it can/has been abused for trolling purposes -- I would still rather give others the freedom to learn from their own mistakes and need a heal or a revive, which I will happily provide as best I can. I'm not a god who is here to change your fate or take away your free will.

[TaleraRistain]

Using Rescue to make that "request" rather than just, you know, making the request strikes me as vaguely passive-aggressive. (Or maybe that's active-aggressive.)

Not just vaguely passive-aggressive. It's incredibly passive-aggressive. It's also childish, because someone is choosing to do that instead of just, like you said, use the chatbox. I toss out to tanks that I have their back if they want to pull big but I'm good either way and that's that.

If they limited Rescue to just boss arenas, I'd be 100% behind that change. I will never not find it the height of rudeness to just yank someone around on a pull like they're a healer's personal doll instead of acting like an adult and communicating with them.

[UkcsAlias]

I don't think anyone should be able to forcibly commandeer another player's character, no matter how innocent of benevolent the motive may be.

I guess you also dislike shirk on the tanks then.

I personaly think that such actions are generaly good in teamgames, but the issue is mainly that in ffxiv they simply cannot be utilized often enough. And as a result, most of the times they are used, it feels unneeded (and often simply is because of strong self sustain). I think removing it for that reason is a bad thing, the mechanics should simply just give more opportunities to make it useful.

For rescue to become mandatory only 1 mechanic has to exist in several duties: the player with most emnity can be rooted in place, and gets an aoe placed below it that instantly kills him. The downside: rescue can be on cooldown and with just 1 healer this is harsh, making this effectively just raid or trial only. Maybe in this situation shirk can be used by the tank to move the aoe away to another target. But this would then in turn make it most likely a tank thing again. But i think that after a few times this mechanic becomes dull.

[Packetdancer]

Also I am still extremely sad about fluid aura. 'no one used it so we just deleted it and here you go healers here is a water based skill at 90 lol xxxx deee'. I used that darn thing solo palace of the dead.

Rather belatedly, I still wish that instead of just being removed, Fluid Aura had become an interrupt a'la Head Graze or Interject. You throw a giant ball of water at something's head, it ain't gonna be able to keep chanting an incantation seamlessly.

(Also yes, in its original form, it—like many otherwise niche things—was incredibly useful in solo Deep Dungeon runs.)