Rescue needs to go away.

[Absimiliard]

You're still doing the same thing.

Try again. I get it. You REALLY hate a healer moving you like a pawn on a chess board. I just wonder if you actually get that at this point.

You uh... seem to be underestimating the number of healers that routinely use Rescue for the express purpose of killing members of their group. It's not an "all" healers thing, but it happens enough that the skill's reputation as a griefing tool is well deserved.

[LeonKeyh]

A pedant? You're guilty of precisely what you're accusing me of, and creating an issue where one doesn't exist. You're comparing Rescue to hysteria, confusion, and stuns dude. You're reaching so far that you're spaghettifying what little argument you actually have, which was and still is getting butt hurt when healers yeet you from your ignorance that for some reason is like this warm little spot on the arena designated for you or something.

I can understand that argument, but trying to paint this picture that the big bad evil healers are out to rescue you, destroy your deeps, and even remove you from the battlefield entirely is ridiculous.

I can only imagine the anxiety you have while playing in constant grief mode worrying about if the healer is going to rescue you. I can definitely understand not having much fun in such a mental state. Sucks dude.

Except, I _DIDN'T_. Someone asked why people hate Rescue so much and I explained why people hate it and then said in my post (which I'm guessing you smadge clicked reply with quote before you read):

That being said, while I understand the frustration, I don't think it's anywhere near the level of issue that people are making it out to be. I'm just explaining the difference.

You're the one that flew off the handle responding like I said that people were raping me for using rescue. Also, said that "Allowing someone else to determine the location of your character" isn't "controlling" it, which is ridiculous.

You uh... seem to be underestimating the number of healers that routinely use Rescue for the express purpose of killing members of their group. It's not an "all" healers thing, but it happens enough that the skill's reputation as a griefing tool is well deserved.

That's a little ridiculous, TBH; I feel like you're playing with the wrong people if this is something that "routinely" happens to you.

[Krotoan]

I mean, you and Krotoan certainly seem to be having a fit over it (not that I'm surprised about the latter, given their 'gameplay style'). Most people who start these stupid threads are also throwing fits over it enough to complain and stomp their feet on a forum trying to get it removed.

1. what do you know about my gameplay style?

2. I have continually expressed how little this happens and how this is me talking about it because the subject came up, NOT because I have some crusade against it. Yet people have tried to police my tone and content in the thread, made up positions for me, and imply that this is all made up.

Maybe people are telling the anti-Rescue squad to chill out because y'all are going a little insane over what is very likely accidental or poorly timed uses of Rescue once every so many runs. I can count the number of actual troll uses of Rescue (that weren't my friends and I having a lark at each other's expense) on one hand - maybe two, if I stretch it. That's less than 10 counts of it across however many years its been since the skill was added to the game - and trust me, I run multiple types of content just about every day up until recently.

Maybe this is more the pro-rescue squad clutching their pearls afraid their "do what I want" button is going to go away? ... see? I can make false attributions to peoples thought process as well.

Knockback prevention will cause rescue to fail. Pop Arm's Length or Surecast.

so now I should pop arms length during all my runs cause someone MIGHT use it?

With all the arguments going on...I regret posting this.

welcome to the forums, we will argue about ANYTHING.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

1. what do you know about my gameplay style?

2. I have continually expressed how little this happens and how this is me talking about it because the subject came up, NOT because I have some crusade against it. Yet people have tried to police my tone and content in the thread, made up positions for me, and imply that this is all made up.

Maybe this is more the pro-rescue squad clutching their pearls afraid their "do what I want" button is going to go away? ... see? I can make false attributions to peoples thought process as well.

so now I should pop arms length during all my runs cause someone MIGHT use it?

welcome to the forums, we will argue about ANYTHING.

You sure do whine and white knight enough for the toxic casualist playerbase that it's inevitable people will draw conclusions of your style of 'gameplay'.

The only reason pro-Rescue people come into this thread at all is to make sure it isn't misunderstood by whatever dev or CM might possibly be reading this garbage forum - once in a blue moon - that everyone hates the skill and want it abolished. We get enough things taken away as is because a small minority of people think they're 'too hard'/not worth using/is solely a means to troll rather than an actually useful ability. Quit asking for more things to be taken away because you still can't let go of the one or two times someone actually trolled you with Rescue.

[Theodric]

Someone potentially misusing something isn't a good reason to get rid of that very same thing as far as I'm concerned. Otherwise we might as well get rid of crafting and gathering because some people choose to automate it with illegal activities. Adventurer plates would be thrown out due to some people making lewd poses. PvP would be removed because some people engaging in win trading. I could list many other examples but my point stands, hopefully.

It's already against the rules to abuse the rescue ability. On that basis, calling for it to be removed strikes me as rather selfish. I've had people save me using it a fair few times and despite loathing the healer role myself, even I found it incredibly useful as a way to get tunnel vision players out of an AoE that was killing them without them noticing that their health was rapidly depleting.

Some of the players posting throughout this thread seem to be under the impression that there's some strange conspiracy at play where the ability is abused as some sort of personal vendetta against them. I think, based on forum posts alone, it isn't likely that those players are interesting or popular enough to have many unrelated players decide to pick them out in a crowd to harass with a niche ability on a frequent basis.

Perhaps I am mistaken though!

[Krotoan]

You sure do whine and white knight enough for the toxic casualist playerbase that it's inevitable people will draw conclusions of your style of 'gameplay'.

Oh so you know NOTHING about my style of gameplay at all besides what you're assuming. Got it.

The only reason pro-Rescue people come into this thread at all is to make sure it isn't misunderstood by whatever dev or CM might possibly be reading this garbage forum - once in a blue moon - that everyone hates the skill and want it abolished. We get enough things taken away as is because a small minority of people think they're 'too hard'/not worth using/is solely a means to troll rather than an actually useful ability. Quit asking for more things to be taken away because you still can't let go of the one or two times someone actually trolled you with Rescue.

Considering that I've actually not asked directly for it to be removed and asked, IF ANYTHING, that I be allowed to choose whether to let someone do it to me or not.. I'd say you're just throwing insults at a thread you're skimming.

Keep my name out of your posts if you don't read my actual responses.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

Oh so you know NOTHING about my style of gameplay at all besides what you're assuming. Got it.

Considering that I've actually not asked directly for it to be removed and asked, IF ANYTHING, that I be allowed to choose whether to let someone do it to me or not.. I'd say you're just throwing insults at a thread you're skimming.

Keep my name out of your posts if you don't read my actual responses.

Don't post in a public forum if you don't want to be responded to~. (:

You legit admitted in this very thread you once got Rescue'd by a healer wanting you to pull the next pack - likely the entire party did. Any tank worth their salt will be double pulling in most content above 50, and those who don't tend to not be very good tanks (or players, honestly).

You also are quite known around here for posting in favor of removing things, dumbing the game down, taking away class identity, and generally white knighting the absolute heck out of SQE and the toxic casualist playerbase's 'right' to play like garbage at the expense of their team. It really ain't hard to figure out what sort of player and person you are just from seeing you around the forums on a regular basis.

As to making Rescue a toggle, you already have that - Arm's Length or Surecast. If you're that scared a healer will yank you out of an AoE or into another pack of mobs or whatever, use your in-game tools to reject it ahead of time. There's no point forcing a toggle on the skill when we have an available tool as is - and anything beyond that would effectively make the skill useless.

Heck, it's already rare to see it used anyway in casual content. If you're seeing it that much, one has to wonder if you're doing things to warrant it being used on you so often.

[Shibi]

No.

Just no.

No.

[Krotoan]

Don't post in a public forum if you don't want to be responded to~. (:

Respond all you like, don't make assumptions about me you have no basis in.

You legit admitted in this very thread you once got Rescue'd by a healer wanting you to pull the next pack - likely the entire party did. Any tank worth their salt will be double pulling in most content above 50, and those who don't tend to not be very good tanks (or players, honestly).

Interesting you'd assume I wasn't going to full pull and someone using rescue to "fix" my style was in the right. the 3 times I can remember experiencing this I apparently wasn't going "fast" enough for them. I WAS pulling wall to wall, I just wasn't popping sprint all the time. Also interesting you automatically assume everyone else in the party was OK with someone correcting me.

You also are quite known around here for posting in favor of removing things, dumbing the game down, taking away class identity, and generally white knighting the absolute heck out of SQE and the toxic casualist playerbase's 'right' to play like garbage at the expense of their team. It really ain't hard to figure out what sort of player and person you are just from seeing you around the forums on a regular basis.

Am I? I kinda felt I stood more against people ADDING things than removing things but interesting that's your perception. I tend to try and give perspective to people who "SE should just (insert incredibly simple description of a largely complex process)" things because I HAVE experience in those things. SE is a company and deserves no particular charity, but people who work in programming, networking and customer service should have a voice as well. I don't think people have a "right" to play like garbage, but I think that you as just another player don't have the right to judge what they are and are not capable of from the safety of the other side of your screen and speak on behalf of the supposed "greater good". You can keep trying to strawman the heck out of who I am as a person and a gamer, but it's not going to change who I actually am. You've been wrong on every account so far so I suggest you chill with the assumptions of my character and playstyle.

As to making Rescue a toggle, you already have that - Arm's Length or Surecast. If you're that scared a healer will yank you out of an AoE or into another pack of mobs or whatever, use your in-game tools to reject it ahead of time. There's no point forcing a toggle on the skill when we have an available tool as is - and anything beyond that would effectively make the skill useless.

I'm not "scared" but I also don't think I should have to pay attention to what the healer is casting to "defend" my decisions in game.

Heck, it's already rare to see it used anyway in casual content. If you're seeing it that much, one has to wonder if you're doing things to warrant it being used on you so often.

And again you show you aren't actually reading my responses.. I've said I think 4 times now I do not encounter abuse or even use very often, but when I do encounter people using it ON ME, it's in the majority not for my benefit.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

Respond all you like, don't make assumptions about me you have no basis in.

I'll assume all I like when you continuously prove them right in every post you make, here and elsewhere. Don't like it, then maybe don't act in a way that befits such assumptions? I also like how you went from "keep my name out of your posts" to "respond all you like", lmao.

Interesting you'd assume I wasn't going to full pull and someone using rescue to "fix" my style was in the right. the 3 times I can remember experiencing this I apparently wasn't going "fast" enough for them. I WAS pulling wall to wall, I just wasn't popping sprint all the time. Also interesting you automatically assume everyone else in the party was OK with someone correcting me.

There is zero reason not to pop Sprint, especially when it prevents people from getting ahead of you and using Rescue to pull you - which seems to be quite a sore spot you're still harping on supposedly so long after it happened. Maybe let it go and move on with your life? Just a thought.

I assume no one cared because most people don't, in my experience. Usually the only one who cares is the tank who gets super offended that someone dares try to make their job easier by pulling them faster into the next pack.

SE is a company and deserves no particular charity, but people who work in programming, networking and customer service should have a voice as well.

If you actually believed that, you wouldn't be on record as one of the biggest SQE white knight defenders on this forum. Practice what you preach.

I don't think people have a "right" to play like garbage, but I think that you as just another player don't have the right to judge what they are and are not capable of from the safety of the other side of your screen and speak on behalf of the supposed "greater good".

There is an objective way to play correctly, and a community standard of expected play in casual and midcore content. Intentionally playing at 20% while everyone else is doing at least 80% if not 100%, drags the group down as a whole. Personally I'd rather everyone carry their own weight in a team-based game, rather than getting carried by people having to make up for their lack of effort or interest in improving.

You can keep trying to strawman the heck out of who I am as a person and a gamer, but it's not going to change who I actually am. You've been wrong on every account so far so I suggest you chill with the assumptions of my character and playstyle.

Funny, you've given no evidence that I'm wrong, so that's a massive assumption you're making. You hate others making assumptions, don't you? But I guess for you, free pass. Why am I not shocked. Also pretty sure you have zero idea what the term 'strawman' actually means.

I'm not "scared" but I also don't think I should have to pay attention to what the healer is casting to "defend" my decisions in game.

You have a tool to prevent use of Rescue on you, provided to you by the game. You would rather the entire workings of the skill itself be changed than take the effort to use the tools already provided. Pretty lazy and selfish of you, honestly.

And again you show you aren't actually reading my responses.. I've said I think 4 times now I do not encounter abuse or even use very often, but when I do encounter people using it ON ME, it's in the majority not for my benefit.

Gee, you sure are changing your tune from your first post. Is it that you don't encounter it often, or that you encounter it "more than you can count"?

I have been rescued out of something I couldn't get out of maybe 2 times.

I have been "rescued" when already safe and INTO AOE's, dropping platforms, and one kill mechanics more than I can count.

A couple times it was helpful, the rest of the time which is also the MAJORITY of the time it has been used either badly, incorrectly, or maliciously

You sure do love to go on endless rants trying to get in the last word. Luckily for you I chose violence today, but at this point, you're just going to continue trying to spin everything around as you've done with Gemina, MiaShino, and countless others in various other threads beyond this one.

Chill. The big bad Rescue can't hurt you IRL.