Rescue needs to go away.

[Krotoan]

You sure do whine and white knight enough for the toxic casualist playerbase that it's inevitable people will draw conclusions of your style of 'gameplay'.

Oh so you know NOTHING about my style of gameplay at all besides what you're assuming. Got it.

The only reason pro-Rescue people come into this thread at all is to make sure it isn't misunderstood by whatever dev or CM might possibly be reading this garbage forum - once in a blue moon - that everyone hates the skill and want it abolished. We get enough things taken away as is because a small minority of people think they're 'too hard'/not worth using/is solely a means to troll rather than an actually useful ability. Quit asking for more things to be taken away because you still can't let go of the one or two times someone actually trolled you with Rescue.

Considering that I've actually not asked directly for it to be removed and asked, IF ANYTHING, that I be allowed to choose whether to let someone do it to me or not.. I'd say you're just throwing insults at a thread you're skimming.

Keep my name out of your posts if you don't read my actual responses.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

Oh so you know NOTHING about my style of gameplay at all besides what you're assuming. Got it.

Considering that I've actually not asked directly for it to be removed and asked, IF ANYTHING, that I be allowed to choose whether to let someone do it to me or not.. I'd say you're just throwing insults at a thread you're skimming.

Keep my name out of your posts if you don't read my actual responses.

Don't post in a public forum if you don't want to be responded to~. (:

You legit admitted in this very thread you once got Rescue'd by a healer wanting you to pull the next pack - likely the entire party did. Any tank worth their salt will be double pulling in most content above 50, and those who don't tend to not be very good tanks (or players, honestly).

You also are quite known around here for posting in favor of removing things, dumbing the game down, taking away class identity, and generally white knighting the absolute heck out of SQE and the toxic casualist playerbase's 'right' to play like garbage at the expense of their team. It really ain't hard to figure out what sort of player and person you are just from seeing you around the forums on a regular basis.

As to making Rescue a toggle, you already have that - Arm's Length or Surecast. If you're that scared a healer will yank you out of an AoE or into another pack of mobs or whatever, use your in-game tools to reject it ahead of time. There's no point forcing a toggle on the skill when we have an available tool as is - and anything beyond that would effectively make the skill useless.

Heck, it's already rare to see it used anyway in casual content. If you're seeing it that much, one has to wonder if you're doing things to warrant it being used on you so often.

[Krotoan]

Don't post in a public forum if you don't want to be responded to~. (:

Respond all you like, don't make assumptions about me you have no basis in.

You legit admitted in this very thread you once got Rescue'd by a healer wanting you to pull the next pack - likely the entire party did. Any tank worth their salt will be double pulling in most content above 50, and those who don't tend to not be very good tanks (or players, honestly).

Interesting you'd assume I wasn't going to full pull and someone using rescue to "fix" my style was in the right. the 3 times I can remember experiencing this I apparently wasn't going "fast" enough for them. I WAS pulling wall to wall, I just wasn't popping sprint all the time. Also interesting you automatically assume everyone else in the party was OK with someone correcting me.

You also are quite known around here for posting in favor of removing things, dumbing the game down, taking away class identity, and generally white knighting the absolute heck out of SQE and the toxic casualist playerbase's 'right' to play like garbage at the expense of their team. It really ain't hard to figure out what sort of player and person you are just from seeing you around the forums on a regular basis.

Am I? I kinda felt I stood more against people ADDING things than removing things but interesting that's your perception. I tend to try and give perspective to people who "SE should just (insert incredibly simple description of a largely complex process)" things because I HAVE experience in those things. SE is a company and deserves no particular charity, but people who work in programming, networking and customer service should have a voice as well. I don't think people have a "right" to play like garbage, but I think that you as just another player don't have the right to judge what they are and are not capable of from the safety of the other side of your screen and speak on behalf of the supposed "greater good". You can keep trying to strawman the heck out of who I am as a person and a gamer, but it's not going to change who I actually am. You've been wrong on every account so far so I suggest you chill with the assumptions of my character and playstyle.

As to making Rescue a toggle, you already have that - Arm's Length or Surecast. If you're that scared a healer will yank you out of an AoE or into another pack of mobs or whatever, use your in-game tools to reject it ahead of time. There's no point forcing a toggle on the skill when we have an available tool as is - and anything beyond that would effectively make the skill useless.

I'm not "scared" but I also don't think I should have to pay attention to what the healer is casting to "defend" my decisions in game.

Heck, it's already rare to see it used anyway in casual content. If you're seeing it that much, one has to wonder if you're doing things to warrant it being used on you so often.

And again you show you aren't actually reading my responses.. I've said I think 4 times now I do not encounter abuse or even use very often, but when I do encounter people using it ON ME, it's in the majority not for my benefit.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

Respond all you like, don't make assumptions about me you have no basis in.

I'll assume all I like when you continuously prove them right in every post you make, here and elsewhere. Don't like it, then maybe don't act in a way that befits such assumptions? I also like how you went from "keep my name out of your posts" to "respond all you like", lmao.

Interesting you'd assume I wasn't going to full pull and someone using rescue to "fix" my style was in the right. the 3 times I can remember experiencing this I apparently wasn't going "fast" enough for them. I WAS pulling wall to wall, I just wasn't popping sprint all the time. Also interesting you automatically assume everyone else in the party was OK with someone correcting me.

There is zero reason not to pop Sprint, especially when it prevents people from getting ahead of you and using Rescue to pull you - which seems to be quite a sore spot you're still harping on supposedly so long after it happened. Maybe let it go and move on with your life? Just a thought.

I assume no one cared because most people don't, in my experience. Usually the only one who cares is the tank who gets super offended that someone dares try to make their job easier by pulling them faster into the next pack.

SE is a company and deserves no particular charity, but people who work in programming, networking and customer service should have a voice as well.

If you actually believed that, you wouldn't be on record as one of the biggest SQE white knight defenders on this forum. Practice what you preach.

I don't think people have a "right" to play like garbage, but I think that you as just another player don't have the right to judge what they are and are not capable of from the safety of the other side of your screen and speak on behalf of the supposed "greater good".

There is an objective way to play correctly, and a community standard of expected play in casual and midcore content. Intentionally playing at 20% while everyone else is doing at least 80% if not 100%, drags the group down as a whole. Personally I'd rather everyone carry their own weight in a team-based game, rather than getting carried by people having to make up for their lack of effort or interest in improving.

You can keep trying to strawman the heck out of who I am as a person and a gamer, but it's not going to change who I actually am. You've been wrong on every account so far so I suggest you chill with the assumptions of my character and playstyle.

Funny, you've given no evidence that I'm wrong, so that's a massive assumption you're making. You hate others making assumptions, don't you? But I guess for you, free pass. Why am I not shocked. Also pretty sure you have zero idea what the term 'strawman' actually means.

I'm not "scared" but I also don't think I should have to pay attention to what the healer is casting to "defend" my decisions in game.

You have a tool to prevent use of Rescue on you, provided to you by the game. You would rather the entire workings of the skill itself be changed than take the effort to use the tools already provided. Pretty lazy and selfish of you, honestly.

And again you show you aren't actually reading my responses.. I've said I think 4 times now I do not encounter abuse or even use very often, but when I do encounter people using it ON ME, it's in the majority not for my benefit.

Gee, you sure are changing your tune from your first post. Is it that you don't encounter it often, or that you encounter it "more than you can count"?

I have been rescued out of something I couldn't get out of maybe 2 times.

I have been "rescued" when already safe and INTO AOE's, dropping platforms, and one kill mechanics more than I can count.

A couple times it was helpful, the rest of the time which is also the MAJORITY of the time it has been used either badly, incorrectly, or maliciously

You sure do love to go on endless rants trying to get in the last word. Luckily for you I chose violence today, but at this point, you're just going to continue trying to spin everything around as you've done with Gemina, MiaShino, and countless others in various other threads beyond this one.

Chill. The big bad Rescue can't hurt you IRL.

[Krotoan]

I'll assume all I like when you continuously prove them right in every post you make, here and elsewhere. Don't like it, then maybe don't act in a way that befits such assumptions? I also like how you went from "keep my name out of your posts" to "respond all you like", lmao.

Respond as in actually respond to what I'm saying, not just namedrop me with a snipe.

There is zero reason not to pop Sprint, especially when it prevents people from getting ahead of you and using Rescue to pull you - which seems to be quite a sore spot you're still harping on supposedly so long after it happened. Maybe let it go and move on with your life? Just a thought.

There's a few reasons to not constantly be popping every single skill I have to be "efficient". One of which being it's a matter of seconds to minutes it saves so why do I need to? I'm playing this game because I enjoy it, not cause I need another job.

I assume no one cared because most people don't, in my experience. Usually the only one who cares is the tank who gets super offended that someone dares try to make their job easier by pulling them faster into the next pack.

You're not making their job easier, you're making it more complicated rather than waiting the entire 5-10 seconds it would take for them to walk over there.

If you actually believed that, you wouldn't be on record as one of the biggest SQE white knight defenders on this forum. Practice what you preach.

"on record"? What are you talking about? We have a list?

There is an objective way to play correctly, and a community standard of expected play in casual and midcore content. Intentionally playing at 20% while everyone else is doing at least 80% if not 100%, drags the group down as a whole. Personally I'd rather everyone carry their own weight in a team-based game, rather than getting carried by people having to make up for their lack of effort or interest in improving.

There is an optimal and efficient plan for each class to contribute. There are tolerances made to accommodate people of differing skill levels. You are the one assuming absolutely someone who is playing "poorly" is doing so out of planned lazyness.

Funny, you've given no evidence that I'm wrong, so that's a massive assumption you're making. You hate others making assumptions, don't you? But I guess for you, free pass. Why am I not shocked. Also pretty sure you have zero idea what the term 'strawman' actually means.

You have taken perceived arguments and positions I've taken on OTHER SUBJECTS and turned them into a perceived boogyman SE suckup and uber-casual. I'd say you've strawmanned my positions massively. I don't need to give evidence that you're wrong about assumptions you've made about my character and playstyle.. do you want VOD's of me playing the game or something? Talking to people?

You have a tool to prevent use of Rescue on you, provided to you by the game. You would rather the entire workings of the skill itself be changed than take the effort to use the tools already provided. Pretty lazy and selfish of you, honestly.

No I commented on a thread arguing the merits of rescue, I have not specifically demanded it's removal nor do I even expect a toggle to be implemented.

Gee, you sure are changing your tune from your first post. Is it that you don't encounter it often, or that you encounter it "more than you can count"?

The example being: I can actually remember how many times It's been used beneficially on me but I have lost count of the times people have used it to grief or "correct" me. This does not imply recently, or frequently, especially since I am quite a long time player. Majority being more than half. Language IS important.

You sure do love to go on endless rants trying to get in the last word. Luckily for you I chose violence today, but at this point, you're just going to continue trying to spin everything around as you've done with Gemina, MiaShino, and countless others in various other threads beyond this one.
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Right back at you. Considering you're the 2nd person who's "you always have to get the last word"-ed at me while trying to get the last word themselves.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

Respond as in actually respond to what I'm saying, not just namedrop me with a snipe.

Public forum, expect people to namedrop if they feel its relevant. Don't like it, don't be on a public forum - as I said.

There's a few reasons to not constantly be popping every single skill I have to be "efficient". One of which being it's a matter of seconds to minutes it saves so why do I need to? I'm playing this game because I enjoy it, not cause I need another job.

It's one single button. Do you also not pop your CDs consistently, because you don't need to be "efficient"? I swear, what is it with you people assuming playing properly and utilizing tools in the game equates to it being a 'second job'? I play the game to have fun, too! Most people do. Just because some actually play efficiently doesn't mean they aren't playing it for fun or enjoying it - shocking as that must be to you, I'm sure.

You're not making their job easier, you're making it more complicated rather than waiting the entire 5-10 seconds it would take for them to walk over there.

There's nothing complicated about being moved in the midst of a pack. Press your AoE, park with the rest of the mobs, gg ez. If you think that's 'complicated'... I don't know what to tell you, honestly. Other than maybe don't play tank.

"on record"? What are you talking about? We have a list?

Post history is technically a list, if we want to be pedantic about it. :P

There is an optimal and efficient plan for each class to contribute. There are tolerances made to accommodate people of differing skill levels. You are the one assuming absolutely someone who is playing "poorly" is doing so out of planned lazyness.

If you're playing a job poorly in endgame content, then yeah, at that point it's pretty lazy. Skill level doesn't equate to being on the floor 90% of the time and not even performing a bare bones 1-2-3 rotation; some people may not be optimal at a class, but most people don't care about optimal in casual and midcore content - only that the person has enough grasp on their class to not be dragging the entire run down to a crawl. Sprouts in sub-60 content also tend to get a pass because they are genuinely still learning.

You have taken perceived arguments and positions I've taken on OTHER SUBJECTS and turned them into a perceived boogyman SE suckup and uber-casual. I'd say you've strawmanned my positions massively. I don't need to give evidence that you're wrong about assumptions you've made about my character and playstyle.. do you want VOD's of me playing the game or something? Talking to people?

Not a boogeyman, just an observation made over many years of seeing you regularly post in the forum. Most regular users here all tend to have a general idea of other regular users' playstyles/opinions/temperments simply from repeated observation. Yours, in this case, has yet to be disproven and thus will remain in my eyes. If that bothers you so much that you have to keep harping on about it, well, not really a me problem at that point.

No I commented on a thread arguing the merits of rescue, I have not specifically demanded it's removal nor do I even expect a toggle to be implemented.

Your post history in this thread can be construed otherwise.

The example being: I can actually remember how many times It's been used beneficially on me but I have lost count of the times people have used it to grief or "correct" me. This does not imply recently, or frequently, especially since I am quite a long time player. Majority being more than half. Language IS important.

Language is important, yes, and without proper clarification, such things can oft be construed various different ways. Food for thought!

Right back at you. Considering you're the 2nd person who's "you always have to get the last word"-ed at me while trying to get the last word themselves.

Nah, I just think it's funny to watch people mald and trip over themselves. I do, however, have some anime to watch with a friend! Go ahead and do your last little jab, as you always do, because you can't help yourself. I've said what I need to say and am moving on to more important things in life, as most anti-Rescue types should do!


TL;DR People who get upset at being Rescue'd should maybe use the tools that prevent Rescue, or just stop standing in stuff. Or, even better... move on! Life goes on, and all that.

[Krotoan]

Public forum, expect people to namedrop if they feel its relevant. Don't like it, don't be on a public forum - as I said.

Then expect me to correct you when you make incorrect assumptions.

It's one single button. Do you also not pop your CDs consistently, because you don't need to be "efficient"? I swear, what is it with you people assuming playing properly and utilizing tools in the game equates to it being a 'second job'? I play the game to have fun, too! Most people do. Just because some actually play efficiently doesn't mean they aren't playing it for fun or enjoying it - shocking as that must be to you, I'm sure.

I know how to pull as a tank yes, however every single second of my DF runs doesn't have to be going at breakneck speed and I don't expect that from others. I especially don't attempt to correct them if the run is going at a decent pace.

There's nothing complicated about being moved in the midst of a pack. Press your AoE, park with the rest of the mobs, gg ez. If you think that's 'complicated'... I don't know what to tell you, honestly. Other than maybe don't play tank.

If I pull I have aggro and I know where the mobs are going. I can run up at the right angle to pull with whatever AOE I'm using (admittedly simplified now that everything seems to be a circle). If I get yanked into a pack someone ELSE has aggro on now I had to reposition to get the mobs from a direction I wasn't planning on facing. It IS super minor.. but could be avoided.

Post history is technically a list, if we want to be pedantic about it. :P

The fun part then is if you actually read my post history you would see criticism of SE and requests for new features mixed in with your particularly hated "white knighting" (a term I've noticed is thrown around whenever anyone so much as makes a positive comment about SE) . So it's not "on record". The record is of my varied posts and positions. You wanna be obsessive about me like that go ahead and read through it, but I'm thinking you're not going to find what you think you're going to find unless you cherrypick the heck out of it.

If you're playing a job poorly in endgame content, then yeah, at that point it's pretty lazy. Skill level doesn't equate to being on the floor 90% of the time and not even performing a bare bones 1-2-3 rotation; some people may not be optimal at a class, but most people don't care about optimal in casual and midcore content - only that the person has enough grasp on their class to not be dragging the entire run down to a crawl. Sprouts in sub-60 content also tend to get a pass because they are genuinely still learning.

I have never excused someone being dead 90% of the time. I've never even come close. I've spoken up on MSQ DF threads about kicking AFK-ers. I'm not going to argue a position I've never held. However someone not mashing sprint every time it's up isn't going to kill anyone, the same as someone not doing positionals. It's not particularly efficient, but it's not something I would even care to correct unless asked about it.

Not a boogeyman, just an observation made over many years of seeing you regularly post in the forum. Most regular users here all tend to have a general idea of other regular users' playstyles/opinions/temperments simply from repeated observation. Yours, in this case, has yet to be disproven and thus will remain in my eyes. If that bothers you so much that you have to keep harping on about it, well, not really a me problem at that point.

Your perception of who I am is entirely your problem. I know who I am. I'm just going to keep saying you're wrong.

Your post history in this thread can be construed otherwise.

Then let that statement be clarification.

Language is important, yes, and without proper clarification, such things can oft be construed various different ways. Food for thought!

Yet a further snack for your brain: Asking for clarification rather than attacking people is usually a better tactic for discourse.

Nah, I just think it's funny to watch people mald and trip over themselves. I do, however, have some anime to watch with a friend! Go ahead and do your last little jab, as you always do, because you can't help yourself. I've said what I need to say and am moving on to more important things in life, as most anti-Rescue types should do!

I'd put a boxing glove as a "jab" emote but this board lacks them. Enjoy your anime.

TL;DR People who get upset at being Rescue'd should maybe use the tools that prevent Rescue, or just stop standing in stuff. Or, even better... move on! Life goes on, and all that.

People who use rescue on others should probably think about why they're using it. Probably.


Everyone has moved on, considering I did not, in fact, have a breakdown, curse out the rescue users and get banned for such and just finished the instances.

Again, your imagined seething responses aren't what's happening here.