There's too much strawmanning people who criticize the game

[Skiros]

it's not really straw manning when they point out, numerous times, that the game has not ever been designed to be a timesink that lasts the 4 months between each major patch. The content was built with the idea that players will take breaks and come back when new content is added. That isn't a bad decision to make, especially when the developers have said more than once that they want players to take breaks from the game so they don't get burnt out on it.

I like being able to shelve the game and pick up something new without FOMO breathing down my neck and making me feel compelled to funnel all my time and effort into 14.

That is exactly the strawman I'm talking about though???

You can put content into FF14 without it being a FOMO or an enforced timesink???

This Ultimate will literally last for 4 months for a lot of statics. Does anyone who doesn't raid Ultimate feel compelled to funnel all their time and effort into 14 just because Ultimate exists??

[Jason_Ashford]

That is exactly the strawman I'm talking about though???

You can put content into FF14 without it being a FOMO or an enforced timesink???

This Ultimate will literally last for 4 months for a lot of statics. Does anyone who doesn't raid Ultimate feel compelled to funnel all their time and effort into 14 just because Ultimate exists??

i don't think you understand what a strawman argument is. Because you are on record here in the forums for complaining about there not being enough to do between patches when there is *plenty* of content available, but with the caveat that it's not meant to sustain your attention for 4 months. People have cited examples like, raiding, PvP, Glamour, Crafting, Extreme trials, Savage raids, ultimate trials, Treasure Hunting, etc. and yet that somehow isn't enough?

[Skiros]

i don't think you understand what a strawman argument is. Because you are on record here in the forums for complaining about there not being enough to do between patches when there is *plenty* of content available, but with the caveat that it's not meant to sustain your attention for 4 months. People have cited examples like, raiding, PvP, Glamour, Crafting, Extreme trials, Savage raids, ultimate trials, Treasure Hunting, etc. and yet that somehow isn't enough?

Yes. It's not enough.

[Jason_Ashford]

Yes. It's not enough.

then take a break and find something else to play because it's very much a you problem.

[Skiros]

then take a break and find something else to play because it's very much a you problem.

[Xirean]

That is exactly the strawman I'm talking about though???

You can put content into FF14 without it being a FOMO or an enforced timesink???

Then explain how.... Don't be vague. Be specific. What exactly do you want added?

i don't think you understand what a strawman argument is. Because you are on record here in the forums for complaining about there not being enough to do between patches when there is *plenty* of content available, but with the caveat that it's not meant to sustain your attention for 4 months. People have cited examples like, raiding, PvP, Glamour, Crafting, Extreme trials, Savage raids, ultimate trials, Treasure Hunting, etc. and yet that somehow isn't enough?

Yes. It's not enough.

How is that not enough?

[Skiros]

Then explain how.... Don't be vague. Be specific. What exactly do you want added?



How is that not enough?

Let me just quote someone:

You keep insisting this yet I've already listed what the current patch has to offer and that I, specifically, have already done everything. For the sake of review, we have:

MSQ
Endsinger
Unreal
Agiaga
Role Quests
Crafting
PvP


Of those six things listed, I have completed every single one except PvP over just a two week span. And I'm only not done with PvP because I didn't initially bother with it but have since given it a whirl. I didn't rush through the content. None of it has any staying power except PvP as it's all primarily one and done. Endsinger's only longevity comes from if you care to farm her mount. Everything else is weekly restricted and/or over within an hour or two. So what exactly is this content I don't want to do? 6.15 isn't offering a bevy of longevity either. Like I said previously, it's several one and done quest chains. I have no doubt some will be cool, especially hildibrand, but they're over within the hour.

Before you mention jobs previous things like jobs. I have nearly every job leveled to 90. I've only held back on some so I have something to level when Deep Dungeon drops. I have every Crafter and Gather max and fully pentamelded. With the new gear to boot. I've done the role quests. I've done a good portion of the side quests. I have both Hydaelyn and Zodiark's mounts. In fact, I spammed the later nearly 100 times. I've BiS all my tanks, DRG, SMN and am only missing the weapon on RPR and RDM. And all this while taking that break to play other games. So no, I'm not 24/7-ing FFXIV. Nor am I opting not to do content that isn't available. Outside DRU, which I'm currently progging, there isn't anything to do unless you consider grinding 10,000 FATEs for the achievement good content.

And it isn't like I'm expecting something new to do daily. I'd be fine with some meaningful grinds to keep me occupied. How about the relic? Why are we waiting an entire year for one of the few pieces of longevity content to be released? If it came out earlier, that would help satiate a lot of players. I'll go one better and say let the damn thing equal the Savage weapons. Make the steps worthwhile to do. "The raiders will complain!" Very few give a damn at this point. I cleared P4S week two and couldn't give a hoot if week 400, the relic matches my weapon. Just make it something decent and fun to do and not a free poetic dump.

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you problem

And don't forget:

I love the irony that it's okay to have this toxic attitude but simply criticizing aspects of the game I dislike means I should just quit. You're allowed to adore this game and every aspect of it just as I'm allowed to criticism it. That doesn't mean I dislike the game as a whole. Put simply, if you don't like my opinion. Kindly take your own advice and go find someone else to reply to.

you problem

^ Toxicity in full display here. I was fully expecting the very strawmanning and toxicity that I described in OP to happen in this thread once again but it is still disappointing.

Please continue barking though.

[Vrankyl]

Let me just quote someone:



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And don't forget:





^ Toxicity in full display here. I was fully expecting the very strawmanning and toxicity that I described in OP to happen in this thread once again but it is still disappointing.

Please continue barking though.

You failed to answer the first part of the question though. Instead of constantly being vague or getting upset at people assuming what you want, tell us what it is you would like to see? What do you think could help fill this gap in content that you see? It's all well and good to say 'this is an issue' but if you don't offer any suggestions what do you expect to have happen. Yes it is the developers job to create things, but if they are at a loss for what more to add and you can't offer suggestions then... well we are stuck where we are at.

[Jason_Ashford]

Let me just quote someone:



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And don't forget:





^ Toxicity in full display here. I was fully expecting the very strawmanning and toxicity that I described in OP to happen in this thread once again but it is still disappointing.

Please continue barking though.

right, i'm soooo toxic because we've given you the answer again and again, but you ignore it and continue on with your tirade. The game's content is not built to hold your attention for the 4 month span between patches, you have been actively encouraged by the developers to take a break and play something else while you wait for a new patch and new content to come out. Here's an idea, instead of complaining about the lack of content, why don't you try suggesting things they could add that would increase your enjoyment, and no, i'm not digging through your post history to find something you can easily provide.

[Skiros]

right, i'm soooo toxic because we've given you the answer again and again, but you ignore it and continue on with your tirade. The game's content is not built to hold your attention for the 4 month span between patches, you have been actively encouraged by the developers to take a break and play something else while you wait for a new patch and new content to come out. Here's an idea, instead of complaining about the lack of content, why don't you try suggesting things they could add that would increase your enjoyment, and no, i'm not digging through your post history to find something you can easily provide.

Why would you even come into these threads though? If you can't handle criticisms just don't enter these threads? Coming into threads that criticize the game to defend Square Enix is just weird, when it literally doesn't affect you in any meaningful way unless you make this game part of your identity.