Female Hrothgar as a playable race. Show your support!

[Pip_Chick]

All for female Hrothgar for the ppl that want them. However part of me nags that the end result will be something that looks like Clawroline from the new Kirby game... XD

I can only speak for myself, but I'd take Clawroline over Miquo'te 2.0 any day.

[Shiazirah]

had to check for Clawroline but have to say: in mind its mostly for children, the design isnt bad at all.... at least it is much more animalistic than the Neko Miqote... because lets be totally honest, Miqos are just humans with a type of "catears" i never seen on a cat... but maybe is there a race i dont know about, and the tail. And one of the subraces have fangs, the other cateyes... I am seriously wondeirng why they dont take inspirations from the catrace in ArcheAge unchained, why they dont followed Viera Fran in the Vieradesign in FF14. Roegas are not the same like Miqos in body arent they? i seriously hope for nice pawfeet with the correct legpositioning for it. Vieras do not need shoes at all if you follow the footconstruction by nature (and what you can see in FFII Fran ).... dont know when someone tought that would be necessary....

THis here wouldnt even be that bad... options for hair and colors....

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[LioJen]

It seems a lot of people want Hrothgar to have a unique head shape (not just human with fangs) and also unique body model, but also want all the hats to fit. Realistically, the devs aren't ever going to go back and remodel every single headpiece for a new head shape or ears. Nor are they going to remodel every leg piece and shoe to fit digitigrade feet. AFAIK, they even stopped considering Miqo tails and ears in the gear models after ARR.

So it's a choice between having unique models and limited clothing options, or having a reused body and a more Human head/face so that you can dress up. This is why you have weird compromises like the Hunch. It's the best they can do to make the body look unique while also allowing clothes to fit. Without the hunch, the Hroth would obviously be Roes with a mask.

[Shiazirah]

Thats the point, they dont need to make all the old gear working... they could start with fitting gear in the content released with the race and after... Meanwhile follow my suggestion with the inbuilt "3 piece choice-projection"...

[Midareyukki]

It seems a lot of people want Hrothgar to have a unique head shape (not just human with fangs) and also unique body model, but also want all the hats to fit. Realistically, the devs aren't ever going to go back and remodel every single headpiece for a new head shape or ears. Nor are they going to remodel every leg piece and shoe to fit digitigrade feet. AFAIK, they even stopped considering Miqo tails and ears in the gear models after ARR.

So it's a choice between having unique models and limited clothing options, or having a reused body and a more Human head/face so that you can dress up. This is why you have weird compromises like the Hunch. It's the best they can do to make the body look unique while also allowing clothes to fit. Without the hunch, the Hroth would obviously be Roes with a mask.

That isn't the same as demand. It's obvious that Square Enix will never make a proper beast race, so at this point though we want something, we also need to be realistic about it. People may want Charr-type bodies, but it's clear SE won't do that. So we really just want the best next thing if all we're getting are furry Roegadyn: the hunchback must go. It's not a good addition, no matter what SE thinks. It could have worked in other ways, but given the way they designed the body, it just plain doesn't work, period. I haven't seen a single person actually enjoy the sort of hunch we have.

That said...

Thats the point, they dont need to make all the old gear working... they could start with fitting gear in the content released with the race and after... Meanwhile follow my suggestion with the inbuilt "3 piece choice-projection"...

First of all, yes: it is important that the headgear fits. Not only for the sake of fairness, but also because there's no realistic reason not to make them fit.

"They would have to go back and edit every single piece". They did it for Au Ra, they have to do it for Lalafell and Roegadyn to begin with, so why not? "Oh the head type isn't the same", uh-huh. Sure beats remodelling the whole thing to fit a body proportion. It's not even hard, given how it took amateur modders weeks to do that exact same thing.

And a lot of people want hats to be able to express themselves and make good glamours. Stop trying to excuse poor work and lack of effort, those excuses really don't fly anymore. Just because you're okay with less doesn't mean it's acceptable for everyone else.

[SturmChurro]

First of all, yes: it is important that the headgear fits. Not only for the sake of fairness, but also because there's no realistic reason not to make them fit.

"They would have to go back and edit every single piece". They did it for Au Ra, they have to do it for Lalafell and Roegadyn to begin with, so why not? "Oh the head type isn't the same", uh-huh. Sure beats remodelling the whole thing to fit a body proportion. It's not even hard, given how it took amateur modders weeks to do that exact same thing.

And a lot of people want hats to be able to express themselves and make good glamours. Stop trying to excuse poor work and lack of effort, those excuses really don't fly anymore. Just because you're okay with less doesn't mean it's acceptable for everyone else.

Let's be realistic. They will never do it, and certainly not for female hrothgar. I try to temper my requests when I've made them to SE. I wanted hairs for viera, as they said hairs would be made for viera. They occasionally make some actual headgear available, I'd like some iconic pieces made available, rather than requesting everything at once. It's clear that with the further addition of races, and everything else, we are getting less across the board in order to maintain all the races. The 'limited' races receive the least of all, and that's why they were meant to be 'limited' in the first place.

Female hrothgar being made with wholly unique head shapes, much like male hrothgar, will be a limiting factor, and ultimately be detrimental to BOTH male hrothgar, and female hrothgar customization expansion in the future. Not that I think they should be miqo'te 2.0, but what I'm saying is, the unique headshape is your customization, that is what you are going to get - unless they start deciding they want to pour more time and resources into these races, or come up with some way of making it easier to add options.

[Midareyukki]

Let's be realistic. They will never do it, and certainly not for female hrothgar. I try to temper my requests when I've made them to SE. I wanted hairs for viera, as they said hairs would be made for viera. They occasionally make some actual headgear available, I'd like some iconic pieces made available, rather than requesting everything at once. It's clear that with the further addition of races, and everything else, we are getting less across the board in order to maintain all the races.

Female hrothgar being made with wholly unique head shapes, much like male hrothgar, will be a limiting factor, and ultimately be detrimental to BOTH male hrothgar, and female hrothgar customization in the future. Not that I think they should be miqo'te 2.0, but what I'm saying is, the unique headshape is your customization, is what you are going to get.

The sheer fact that that's going on and people still defend such a decision is beyond stupid. You guys know there are two incomplete races, one doesn't have hairstyles and it practically took Square doing it almost with a grudge, and the other flips a coin to see if they get headgear in the first place. You guys know that racial traits for "legacy" races are getting ignored more and more in favour of everyone being the same as a Hyur. And you guys are okay with that... why exactly? Because oh boo hoo they're making FF16? Because they're understaffed? Considering how much money they make off this game alone, that's barely ever an excuse. And considering how much useless crap this game's getting cluttered with, some of which shamelessly even saying "Beta" on it, you really can't tell me they can't afford to spend time getting people to fix stuff?

Also? Enough of this. We have an unique FACE, not an unique HEAD. Get it right, please: we're nothing more than a leonine face stamped onto a Roegadyn head. If stuff fits Roegadyn, stuff can fit our face, as proven by modders already. I get that some foreheads needed to be squished a little for it to work, small price to pay I guess. But it's not as bad as people make of it. If you guys saw the glitch for Hrothgar and Viera that turned them bald, you would know how our skulls actually are. The only realistically different thing about Hrothgar heads starts from the eyes down, everything past the jaw and to the sides is a Roegadyn frame.

I know that that's what we're going to get. If anything because the community clearly doesn't give a damn at this point and is just resigned to having crap quality all around and forcing others to be fine with it. Doesn't mean I'll stop saying that the situation is ludicrous and that that every single excuse people try to find for their paradigm is asinine. Y'all need to stop lowering your standards so much.

Edit: It's not aimed at you necessarily, Churro, I am just so bloody done with this nonsense. I'm done with lack of effort, crap designs being passed and peer-pressure into accepting awful quality.

[SturmChurro]

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The races are 'complete' to SE. They were meant to be 'limited' from the start. That's the only reason hrothgar even exists. I've said this so many times on the forums. They were never meant to have the opposite gender, nor were the meant to have headgear. Do I think people should necessarily accept that? No.

They said male hrothgar would get hair, or gave the illusion that they did (never clarified), at the start of ShB. They didn't deliver on that for almost three years, and then they under-delivered, when hrothgar players finally got their hairs. I think hrothgar players had a right to be upset about that. The fact that it took them almost three years to even fix the fantasia issue is also a problem.

I don't know if I am included in this reply, but I have gone on and on in support of further customization of both viera and hrothgar, plus I am against racial features being removed, or not taken into account, from races like miqo'te and au ra (https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...races-you-know).

I'm not trying to make excuses. Yoshida made it clear from the start, that they wouldn't receive headgear. I just think if we want to approach him with feedback, we should at least try to make that feedback approachable.

Edit: It's not aimed at you necessarily, Churro, I am just so bloody done with this nonsense. I'm done with lack of effort, [...] designs being passed and peer-pressure into accepting awful quality.

I for sure think they could do more. I feel like if they really wanted to they could definitely do it. That's why I think people should keep giving feedback, that they expect more from SE. Especially things of higher quality than what hrothgar got in terms of hairs after so long.

[Shiazirah]

And you guys are okay with that... why exactly?

Sorry but serious, who says we agree with that? i was a modder for years for the famring simulator and like i said: modders pushed the limits far over what GIants was saying is possible. And you said it by yourself: modders did the same in FF14 with the different races, read my comments and you will see that i ask Square why modders can "easily" do what square think isnt possible... and where was ever said it is not possible? everything we request would be possible in the limitations of the gameengine. Its the matter what Square wanna do and what not, what they will do by feeling "forced" to do when the players request it... But they still can not jump over the budget if thats one of the limits.
And for me, as a roleplayer, i prefer to get female hrothgar in a good bodyshape with some limitations in the gear, on heads and feets if thats necessary to do to get them at all, or they will never come...
If the players are not pleased not to wear hats or shoes, there are still races which can. am i happy about that? no, not really because every player should choose by himself what to wear or what not, but already different jobs have different gear, there is another thread where someone request the possibility to project any armor, independent Job/race. want we that? for sure because it opens up to more glamoptions. will it come? maybe...
When you choose a race with a different design at all and you see whats possible in the charactereditor, you already see what you can do and what not, so already there can you decie to accept how it is, to choose another race or to play and complain about what you think is missing. And yes, you can do that, i am the last one denying you that. But you choosed knowing.
And for me its simple: i miss differences in the races. played ArcheAge a while last year before i went to FF14 and i played AA just and only because of the catrace there, that was the only thing.
When i bought the Addons the Viera was included and i started playing it, no hats and just the starterhighheels simulating somehtign which sould be a more animal like looking foot. I would like to have the vierafeets like the catfeets in AA... but i hear you screaming already that you can not wear all the shoes then.... But i can ask you the same now: if you want wear hats and shoes, where is my "right" to have the animalfeets (you maybe dont like )


However, i dont defend Square, i told you about that Moddingstuff and whats possible and why Square dont wanna do it i simply dont know and what Square excuse the decision with is already answered at from the moddingszene: its possible.
But however, I want a more animal like female hrothgar and if that means i can not wear all shoes (because i simply dont need to wear shoes because of my feets) or hats i take it...

[Midareyukki]

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Yes, and I've replied to you too many times that they still claim to want feedback, and if they did read it they'd know that their perception of the races does not match what the community agrees with. So even if for them the races are "fine" and "finished", we clearly do not think so. They also thought that plenty of content was acceptable, yet they went back and changed it because people who engaged with it didn't think it was fine.

Also, please direct me to where Yoshida said the exact words "Limited Races" :T Because until they say it for real, we really shouldn't act like they are, even if they look like they're designed that way.

I know you have supported further customization, I know you from the other threads xD It's why I added that edit. I am just done with passivity around this topic. Yes, we get it, they think it's fine. But we have way too many people saying they're not. SE chooses to ignore it. And people's reaction to that just simply amounts to "Oh. Well, darn. *Shrug*". Which is just... Like, why are we making such a big deal on Kaiten, literally old Dark Arts but as a gauge spender, but this just gets a sigh? Where's the push? Why are people okay with ignoring and accepting this?

And here's the thing. You know I've said this multiple times, but Hrothgar players barely had a chance to offer feedback when Viera had a louder voice. Our complaints either didn't reach them, or Square elected to ignore them. For the most part, Hrothgar players have been rather silent until now. Now, we are giving them feedback, but when we told them "Okay, what the hell, you didn't even try", they just up and gave us lip. That only really acted as fuel for people to feel frustrated at the dev team, and with good reason: don't excuse poor quality and lack of effort. No matter if you think the races are "done". We've had 3 years of people telling them they clearly weren't, and they still try to act inflexible on it.

Cutting this because it's verbose, but... you do have a point. A point I WISH were actually thought through by the comunity rather than being stifled. Yet I fear it regardless because it just feels it WILL be stifled anyway.