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    Quote Originally Posted by Avenger View Post
    Presumably the reason why Reaper and Sage were so strong out of the gate was to encourage people to play them (and to compensate somewhat for unfamiliarity.) Balance would have been counterproductive in both regards.

    Now that the new jobs are well established and people know how to play them, it seems reasonable to balance things out a bit –which seems to be what they are doing.
    the problem isn't having reaper be the weakest melee, the problem is they went overboard with the buffs. Leaving it behind siginificantly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyakin View Post
    the problem isn't having reaper be the weakest melee, the problem is they went overboard with the buffs. Leaving it behind siginificantly.
    I don't know what you class as 'significantly', but I am not seeing that at all.

    Going by the site that shall not be named, looking at rDPS across the whole of the first raid tier, Ninja is top at 8141 and Reaper is 7972, this is looking at the median DPS. That is ~2% less DPS and it is the same sort of story looking at the top parses as well.

    So, the question then becomes, where did you expect to see Reaper? Or is it more of a case of, well, everyone else got buffs, what about Reaper? As it stands, reaper is in a fine spot, it didn't get anything, because it didn't need anything. I have also heard that Reaper is where they wanted to set the 'baseline' metric for the other melee jobs (take with a grain of salt), if it is the baseline, of course it isn't going to get changes as everything else should be confirming to it. As has also been stated, they do not like nerfing jobs and would rather buff others, I'm sure if reaper fell too far behind, it would also get buffs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey_R View Post
    I don't know what you class as 'significantly', but I am not seeing that at all.

    Going by the site that shall not be named, looking at rDPS across the whole of the first raid tier, Ninja is top at 8141 and Reaper is 7972, this is looking at the median DPS. That is ~2% less DPS and it is the same sort of story looking at the top parses as well.

    So, the question then becomes, where did you expect to see Reaper? Or is it more of a case of, well, everyone else got buffs, what about Reaper? As it stands, reaper is in a fine spot, it didn't get anything, because it didn't need anything. I have also heard that Reaper is where they wanted to set the 'baseline' metric for the other melee jobs (take with a grain of salt), if it is the baseline, of course it isn't going to get changes as everything else should be confirming to it. As has also been stated, they do not like nerfing jobs and would rather buff others, I'm sure if reaper fell too far behind, it would also get buffs.
    Don’t neglect ADPS and NDPS, those figures are to be contrasted against RDPS.

    Aside from that little PSA though, I still think Reaper is in a decent spot aside from some button bloat to trim down. Although looking around, it seems to be lower in metrics for the higher content, but that part I’m not entirely certain of.
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