I'm back from Lost Ark

[Atelier-Bagur]

No. It's more time consuming to get endgame gear in FFXIV. I am locked out every week, I can't finish my tomestone gear for weeks, it takes even more weeks on top of that get a weapon. I haven't even finished my tomestone set on white mage. God forbid I try gearing my Red Mage or Tank.. I don't do savage, but that apparently has an rng element too on top of it all.

You don't need to be 1490 in Lost Ark right now. It is completely unnecessary, and significantly more expensive (whether you are spending real money, or gold+mats) right now than it will be if players just waited until more content is released where ilvl being that high actually matters.

If that's a lot for dailies. Let's think about how long it takes to do your savage reclears every week, how long does it take for you to cap out your tomes every week. To do your weekly 24-man. How long does that all collectively take in any given week?

yeah you dont need the entire full set of endgame gear to raid even on savage. Thats why there's the minimum item levels as barrier to entry so that its a lot more accessible to get in and start raiding with whatever items you have that meets those min requirements. I've so far completed all current EXs, P1S,P2S all on my main job's ilevel at around 580. With Lost Ark it just seems like the barrier to entry is a lot higher and if you dont have all of the best stuff then you're not raiding period.

[EagleDynamics]

Lost Ark combat is way more fun than FF14 because unlike FF14 they did not dumb down jobs. FF14 is carried by its encounters. If FF14 didn't have good encounter design it'll be a supremely boring game.

#facts #truth #facts and logic

lost ark is actually fun but the pay to win aspect kind of kills it for me. i remember some streamers interviewed some lost ark whales and the whales said they spent about $10,000USD on the game. thats crazy.

[TaleraRistain]

The rotations are simpler (8 button total for most classes) in Lost Ark but the catch is that most skills have animation lock and also move your character around, which means you'd have to think a bit more on when and how to use your rotation. Boss patterns are also random so you have to constantly think on the fly. Every button on a class in Lost Ark has a different hit AoE (think pre-6.1 Overpower vs. something like Total Eclipse) so you need to aim your skills. They also have a lot of different attributes. Bosses can CC you and slam you on the ground causing you to fall over for 3s, but some skills have Super Armor which you can use to give yourself CC immunity, which means that you can adjust your rotation on the fly so that you keep uptime with Super Armor by using those skills to give yourself uptime.

But really what makes it more fun is that every skill feels like they do something different and you're not just hitting a dummy because the boss attacks are random. FF14 is a choreography which is fun when fights are as complicated as DSR which I'm doing right now. But when bosses do like one mechanic every 20 seconds it honestly feels like a slog. Lost Ark bosses are mechanically simpler but they feel more engaging because of the randomness and because the skills all do different things and aren't just filler damage. Lost Ark has easier fights, but they feel more engaging. I think FF14 can do the same. Give players lots to do but make it not punishing at all when you fail.

That does sound interesting. So it's an ARPG? Does it have a story?

[RayneBoemir]

It looks visually great but I don’t like the isometric view and I also dislike how the combat functions more like a fighting game reminds of Diablo or other games.

The story and voice acting don’t seem great either.

[Skiros]

That does sound interesting. So it's an ARPG? Does it have a story?

It is an ARPG yeah. The story is really bad.

[Lily_Skye]

I hate the lack of outfits in the global version of Lost Ark, idk why Amazon refuses to put more outfits in the cash shop u.u They miss the chance to sell a shit ton of outfits when the game had more than a million active players

[Atelier-Bagur]

I hate the lack of outfits in the global version of Lost Ark, idk why Amazon refuses to put more outfits in the cash shop u.u

seriously? how about demanding putting those outfits as rewards in game instead of cash shop

[Lily_Skye]

seriously? how about demanding putting those outfits as rewards in game instead of cash shop

sadly thats not how lost ark or any f2p kr mmo works

I think you can buy most of the cash shop outfits with gold in the marketboard anyway

[Skiros]

sadly thats not how lost ark or any f2p kr mmo works

I think you can buy most of the cash shop outfits with gold in the marketboard anyway

Yeah all of the outfits can be bought with gold so you don't miss glams as an F2P.

[MintnHoney]

I think you can buy most of the cash shop outfits with gold in the marketboard anyway

You don't even have to wait for that to happen, you can just get the cash shop currency by trading gold directly for it and then buy the thing you want off the cash shop without spending any money.

In the end of the day I think that yes Lost Ark is P2W.
To what extent is a different matter, I'd also say that GW2 is P2W but to a very small degree.

There's degrees to this the question is moreso where Lost Ark lies rather than if it is.

Fair enough, but I would say, at least for the moment, the game doesn't feel too heavily in favor of P2W players. At least not yet, not to me.
I think it would also depend on what kind of content you're trying to consume, but that's semantics anyway.