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  1. #11
    Player
    SweetestLily's Avatar
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    Darling Doll
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    Jenova
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    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by HyonaCookie View Post
    If you're arguing that AST and SCH should get potency buffs then I wholeheartedly agree, no bias whatsoever. I do hope Squeenix considers it.
    No thank you. It seems you have no idea that SGE and WHM are already getting locked out of PFs in favor of AST and SCH bc they offer a faster kill time. What you're suggesting is the nail on the coffin. NO
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  2. #12
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    Kranel_San's Avatar
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    Krann Starwarden
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    Zodiark
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    Reaper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Kenarashi View Post
    So as a sage I have tons of damage skills but as a astro my basic skill does damage of 150 instead of 300 like sage. Also sage has couple more abilities that does damage as a astro i don't. It is really a pain when i try to solo older content or Fates etc as astro. At least white mages have blood lily.
    Simple. Because to a degree, SGE heal is dependent on the amount of damage they deal (Kardia)
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  3. #13
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    ForteNightshade's Avatar
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    Kurenai Tenshi
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    Cactuar
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by HyonaCookie View Post
    If you're arguing that AST and SCH should get potency buffs then I wholeheartedly agree, no bias whatsoever. I do hope Squeenix considers it.
    Astro and Scholar are already the two strongest healers in overall damage. In fact, until the Lily changes, Astro absolutely demolished White Mage in this regard. Why in the world are we buffing them? If anything, the separation between White Mage/Sage's nukes and Astro/Scholar needs to be higher not lower.

    As HyoMin said, we're seeing what you want play out with the physical range. Machinist's selfish damage output simply can't compete with the raid DPS Bard and Dancer provided. The end result has seen Machinist's numbers plummet to the point it barely has a presence in Savage.
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  4. #14
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    Kenarashi's Avatar
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    Kenarashi Y'dyalani
    World
    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Sage Lv 82
    Quote Originally Posted by KageTokage View Post
    AST has its cards and Astrodyne to compensate for the lower potency on its spammable offensive abilities.

    Also, the job guide for SGE is wrong and it does NOT have 300 potency on Dosis when scaled down. It starts off at 180, upgrades to 250 at level 54, then only is 300 at level 64.
    dosis lvl 1 300 potency dosis II 320 potency lvl 72 dosis III 330 potency
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  5. #15
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    Seraphor Vhinasch
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    Zodiark
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Kenarashi View Post
    dosis lvl 1 300 potency dosis II 320 potency lvl 72 dosis III 330 potency
    Dosis starts at 180 and is increased via traits:

    Somanoutic Oath
    Lv. 54 Increases the potency of Dosis to 250
    Somanoutic Oath II
    Lv. 64 Increases the potency of Dosis to 300
    Then you get Dosis II and Dosis III.
    Similar to how AST has Malefic I, II, III, IV and Fall Malefic, and SCH has Ruin, Broil, Broil II, III and IV, they all have 5 tiers.

    It's already been explained that AST and SCH's damage buffs make up for their lower potencies. This has to be balanced around 8-man content. So yeah, SCH and especially AST are going to be less powerful in solo content because they can't bolster their damage output with 7 other plays increased damage, it kinda sucks but its not a huge deal, the fights take a little bit longer, but they're both healers so you're not going to die.
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    Last edited by Seraphor; 04-30-2022 at 04:19 AM.

  6. #16
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    KurohNeko's Avatar
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    Character
    Kuroh Usagi
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    Leviathan
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    Reaper Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Kenarashi View Post
    So as a sage I have tons of damage skills but as a astro my basic skill does damage of 150 instead of 300 like sage. Also sage has couple more abilities that does damage as a astro i don't. It is really a pain when i try to solo older content or Fates etc as astro. At least white mages have blood lily.
    Because they have floating knives that shoot lasers and you have a fucking book or set of cards
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  7. #17
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    Rein_eon_Osborne's Avatar
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Jenova
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Kenarashi View Post
    dosis lvl 1 300 potency dosis II 320 potency lvl 72 dosis III 330 potency
    Go into sastasha synced solo as a SGE and see with your own eyes: read the tooltip on your hotbar. Nah, no need to clear it. Just read.
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  8. #18
    Player dapperfaffer's Avatar
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    Character
    Reis Tengille
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    Brynhildr
    Main Class
    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Recon1o6 View Post
    As a sage you do not have tons of damage skills. you got the same as the rest that isn't astro

    1 nuke (dosis) vs glare, malefic and broil
    1 dot (also dosis) vs dia, combust and biolysis
    1 aoe (dykrasia) vs holy, gravity and slap of war
    1 extra (plegma balls) vs assize, (astro not found) energy drain

    whm has a gcd refund as you say- misery.
    Ast has macrocosmos and earthly star that are used for their healing power that happen to deal damage
    sage has pneuma that again is used as a healing tool that happens to deal damage and toxikon which is used anywhere from 0-3 times a fight. more if there's invincibility period on the boss
    astros crown card play would be the 1 extra, if it comes up Lord at least
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    Last edited by dapperfaffer; 04-30-2022 at 01:19 PM.

  9. #19
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    Shibi's Avatar
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    Lala Felon
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    Zurvan
    Main Class
    Gunbreaker Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    Then you would need to buff SGE and WHM as well.
    (joke)Is wanting a 123 combo to generate 'stings, and a 1200+800 potency Pnuema (20% less damage on 2nd+) on a 60s cooldown too OP? I don't mind if it's changed to need two 'stings to fire off (like a GNB's Double Down)
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